What about OC spray?
This is a discussion on Working in the worst spots of CA - no gun allowed within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; So I work in the worst areas of Southern California. We are talking Compton, Inglewood, Walnut Park, Watts, etc. Basically I am a field engineer ...
So I work in the worst areas of Southern California. We are talking Compton, Inglewood, Walnut Park, Watts, etc. Basically I am a field engineer looking at over head power structures, so I have to get out of my vehicle and my focus has to be taken away from my situational awareness for at least a little bit in order for me to complete my job. To make matters worse my work vehicle is labeled as working for the power company - and sometimes I have to inform people that there houses/businesses will be experiencing a scheduled outage. People, especially in the poorer communities, really don't like the clean cut white guy coming around telling them their power is going to be shut off. More than a few scenes have been made. I can't carry because its California, and I'm not allowed to carry a useful fixed blade because it's against company policy.
My only defense right now is my situational awareness and my posture. I try to communicate with my posture that "I'm not an easy target, but I'm not an aggressor." I also carry a 4" folder knife, but I doubt that would be effective against a group, which is what I am worried about most. So any non conventional or conventional defensive tactics would be much appreciated as well as tools that might aid in my defense if I am attacked by a group.
In advance, please don't say "leave California." I would if I could. Please don't say "quit your job." I'm getting a transfer soon.
"A government is like fire, a handy servant, but a dangerous master." -- George Washington
What about OC spray?
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"A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government." -source
I agree with Zacii...carry spray and if questioned by management tell them it's for loose dogs.
To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will.
OC spray, tazer, ASP, kubaton, locking blade knife, cane, the tools on your belt, etc etc
"The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."
I drove a tractor trailer for a grocery company during the Watts riot. Made deliveries in Watts & Compton to Mom & Pop stores with buildings still smoldering next door. I carried an aluminum baseball bat around with me until things settled down.
Your Situational awareness will have to be developed as a scanning technique based on the amount of open area you have around you. Work, scan, work, scan, and so on, never giving anyone a chance to approach without you being aware. Pilots do this all the time-never letting their attention focus on one instrument for very long, then moving on to the next. It will probably slow down your work at first but after a bit of time it should become second nature.
Where you actually have to talk to the customers to let them know what's going on, it sounds like your "not aggressive, but not a target" posture is the way to go; maybe play a little "good power co. employee on their side against the evil power co."
Good luck, get that training, and when you make your escape from Kalifornia, turn off the lights and bring the keys with you!
My first thought was OC spray. A few weeks ago, I saw a link to "tactical pens", which you might want to google for. If I recall correctly, they were full functional writing instruments that double as a defensive weapon. They had interchangeable parts, for things like the cap so you could choose what type of force (e.g. sharp point versus blunt) to inflict.
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Crossman 760 BB/Pellet, Daisy Red Ryder, Crossman Wrist Rocket, 14 Steak Knives, 3 Fillet Knives, Rolling Pin-14", Various Hunting Knives, 2 Baseball Bats, 3 Big Dogs and a big American Flag flying in the yard. I have no firearms; Try the next house.
BTW, that 4" folder you claim to carry is also illegal in the LA city limits. I believe it's no longer than 2 1/2".
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife.pdf saysAny person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses...any ballistic knife...any nunchaku...any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken [ed: "throwing star"]...any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag.Regarding LA, Muni Code 13.62.010 prohibits carrying in plain view a knife with a blade of length of three inches or more but does not prohibit possession concealed and exempts bona fide tools. Except on school grounds, the OP's 4" folder clipped inside his pocket should not be a legal problem.PC 12020 & 653k & 626.10 & 12001.1 & 12028 No Limit Jim March in his CA knife Law paper states there is no blade length for Pocket knives. No Knife with a blade Longer Than 2 ˝ inches on the grounds of any Private/Public College or University (626.10)
State law may be relevant in your decision20200. A knife carried in a sheath that is worn openly suspended
from the waist of the wearer is not concealed within the meaning of
Section 16140, 16340, 17350, or 21310.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
Anything that u use in case something happens will result in a big mess. A whole community will jump on you. A white guy in a bad community defending himself, the community will see that as a racial attack and will jump on you.
Ill say though just use good posture, be good with the community and try to talk yourself out of any altercation as first defense. I say just be polite and everything and just be cool. Use OC spray as last defense. Or just tell your bosses about the risks about the place youre going to, they should understand and transfer you.
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Keeping tools on a belt (that could end up being a weapon of opportunity) would be an easier to defend in court and may be a more effective weapon as well.