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This is a discussion on confused please help comprehend.... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by defensive007 What i read on this paragraph is that you may enter a restaurant with a Weapon concealed just not in the ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by defensive007 View Post
    What i read on this paragraph is that you may enter a restaurant with a Weapon concealed just not in the bar area , now after it says you may order drinks are those alcoholic or not because i thought you cannot drink while carrying??
    sorry, but you thought wrong, in FLA there is no law against drinking while carrying. You cannot go into anyplace that is just a bar, and you can go into a restaurant with a bar but you need to stay out of the bar area itself. Some people believe that it is ok to be in the bar area but just not drinking at the bar. that is your call and in reality if you are properly concealed and have no need to use your weapon you'll probably never have an issue. The bottom line is stay out of bar only places and don't stand at a bar drinking and you shouldn't have any issues


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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    Looks like you could consume the liquid lunch, as long as the gun stays in the holster. As to driving home, that's another matter.

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    right, driving home and shooting someone is when you'll have problems in FLA

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    Who wrote this crap?

    My fourth grade teacher had a poster always posted it read " Of what material is stuff made"?

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    What crap are you referring to?
    I have yet to be attacked by a block of ballistic gelatin but.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post

    I for one do not hesitate to have a cocktail or glass of wine with my meal when out, and I see no reason to limit my ability to protect myself, or my loved ones, should we face danger.

    Ken
    You are, of course, free to do as you wish. My state says that you cannot be in possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol. In that respect, it doesn't matter whether you have a permit to carry the firearm or not. The statute also doesn't give any blood alcohol threshold for being "under the influence", apparently leaving that up to a police officer (who may or may not like you, and may or may not be having a bad day). That's the reason I refrain from drinking and carrying. For me, it's not worth the risk when dealing with a statute as ambiguous as this one.

    Your state's laws may be a lot clearer. I hope so.
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    Ok.....firearms and alcohol do not mix. One or the other, but never both at the same time. You can handle it? As an ex-bartender/bar owner's son, the only one you are fooling is you. You can't.

    I read the passage above from the same book, and in my totally non-legal opinion, you will REALLY need a lawyer following that advice.....which seems to be the point of the entire book. The Florida Statutes are not that complex: Go to Chilis or TGI Fridays and stay out of the bar area. Simple. Use common sense, and don't drink while carrying. Simple. If you just gotta, gotta, gotta have a drink......you really should not have a license to carry concealed as alcholism is one of the disqualifier for obtaining same in Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    Ok.....firearms and alcohol do not mix. One or the other, but never both at the same time. You can handle it? As an ex-bartender/bar owner's son, the only one you are fooling is you. You can't.

    I read the passage above from the same book, and in my totally non-legal opinion, you will REALLY need a lawyer following that advice.....which seems to be the point of the entire book. The Florida Statutes are not that complex: Go to Chilis or TGI Fridays and stay out of the bar area. Simple. Use common sense, and don't drink while carrying. Simple. If you just gotta, gotta, gotta have a drink......you really should not have a license to carry concealed as alcholism is one of the disqualifier for obtaining same in Florida.
    horse hockey!

    do you really believe that everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic?

    there is no law in FLA prohibiting having a drink while carrying, I've been doing both for many years and I am not an alcoholic and I've never been in trouble with the law for drinking and carrying
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    horse hockey!

    do you really believe that everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic?

    there is no law in FLA prohibiting having a drink while carrying, I've been doing both for many years and I am not an alcoholic and I've never been in trouble with the law for drinking and carrying
    If you read my post more carefully, I stated that if you HAVE to have a drink you may have a problem. I am also a ZERO tolerance guns mixed with alcohol at any time kinda guy. Have seen too many bad things happen when you mix alcohol and firearms. Don't really give a rats what the law says is legal and what is not. I make it a policy to never be anywhere near an individual that has a beer in one hand, and a firearm on his person. I personally think its a recipe for a disaster. I'm glad you are mature enough to mix the two.....many are not, and there is the problem. Those new to concealed carry are ususally younger than either you or myself, and they have a tendency to learn from us. I prefer to teach by example.
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    I'm glad Kansas changed the law and got rid of all of that stuff.

    Funny thing, there was a lot of "drama" in the news about making it legal to carry in a bar. ....

    and.... when it was made legal ....

    Absolutely NOTHING happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    If you read my post more carefully, I stated that if you HAVE to have a drink you may have a problem. I am also a ZERO tolerance guns mixed with alcohol at any time kinda guy. Have seen too many bad things happen when you mix alcohol and firearms. Don't really give a rats what the law says is legal and what is not. I make it a policy to never be anywhere near an individual that has a beer in one hand, and a firearm on his person. I personally think its a recipe for a disaster. I'm glad you are mature enough to mix the two.....many are not, and there is the problem. Those new to concealed carry are ususally younger than either you or myself, and they have a tendency to learn from us. I prefer to teach by example.
    you are free to do as you please but telling others what to do is just not cool, the law says you can carry and drink and if that is what someone chooses to do that is their call, not yours

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    I agree with Maverick. Hey Cowboy: If you have any alcohol in your system and end up on the right side of a deadly confrontation, sure 001 is not going to put you in jail but you will be very busy civilly. In SC if you are found innocent or free of any criminal charges, you cannot be responsible for civil damages. How that plays out with a little alcohol--I do not know. Bottom line IMO Cowboy is that you can argue all you want for arguments sake, alcohol, firearms, and a death are ingredients for many headaches and many dollars in legal fees. To each his own. Easier to forego the drink than to start adding up legal costs. In SC you cannot CC in a restaurant that serves; hopefully this will change since the one instance that wants me to CC is that 11PM, leaving a restaurant to get my car scenario. As far as what started this thread it is insulting to read what is on the books in some states when it comes to defining a restaurant that serves, a bar that serves, separate areas for bars and restaurants--leave it to the nanny state idiot politicos to come up with this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    you are free to do as you please but telling others what to do is just not cool, the law says you can carry and drink and if that is what someone chooses to do that is their call, not yours

    No, sir. You telling others that drinking and carrying is fine is not only not cool, but completely irresponsible.
    Ya wanna down a couple of cold ones, and explain it to the officer after a self defense shooting why your blood alcohol is not quite right, have at it. Just be sure to have your
    attorney on speed dial. Just know that having any alcohol in your system after a self defense shooting has just made your attorneys job defending you almost impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    No, sir. You telling others that drinking and carrying is fine is not only not cool, but completely irresponsible.
    Ya wanna down a couple of cold ones, and explain it to the officer after a self defense shooting why your blood alcohol is not quite right, have at it. Just be sure to have your
    attorney on speed dial. Just know that having any alcohol in your system after a self defense shooting has just made your attorneys job defending you almost impossible.
    read it until you get it, there is no law in FLA that prohibits drinking while carrying. anything else you've added is just your opinion.
    you are free to do as you feel is right, and I am free to do what I feel is right, and that is the bottom line.

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    All this talk of drinking alcohol and carrying firearms brings to mind the notion that at any sanctioned firearms competition, the consumption of alcohol (any alcohol, not just some percentage) entitles one to be the proud recipient of a match disqualification, and, in all likelihood, an escort off the property. Maybe, just maybe, IDPA, USPSA, NRA and others have given some thought to the alcohol & firearms issue.

    On another note, do your ranges permit the consumption of alcohol and use of the firing range? Mine don't, and the law in Georgia says I can legally carry in an establishment that serves alcohol. By some of the reasoning I have seen in this thread, you should be able to go into your local shooting range, buy a sandwich, get a beer out of the fridge and head to the firing line. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's advisable.

    While I agree with apvbguy that his point of view is accurate (IMO) as far as legality, I must say I would much rather be in the company of zonker1986 if I were in a restaurant/bar/tavern/gin joint/boozery, or whatever.

    rant over - withdrawing back into "mind my own business mode"

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    Yep, in FL it's perfectly legal to legitimately shoot someone in self defence while smashed. I wouldn't recommend it unless it was a final option, but it's legal. Otherwise, it is illegal to otherwise handle--not carry--your CW while intoxicated.
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