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confused please help comprehend....

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    confused please help comprehend....

    What i read on this paragraph is that you may enter a restaurant with a Weapon concealed just not in the bar area , now after it says you may order drinks are those alcoholic or not because i thought you cannot drink while carrying??
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    Well, that is exactly the way I read it. It seems that the illegal or unauthorized activity is to be near the bar area, not the ordering or consumption of drinks.
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    Send that person back to school to learn better English. Not sure what they are really trying to say. Never drink and carry tho. No matter where you are or what the law is. It you ever shoot a BG and you have even .001% in you your troubles may easily go up exponentially.
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    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    What is this vague and confusing document? ....(LOL)

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    Right! Read it again. It says you may order drinks, It does not say you can actually drink them. You may have a problem convincing a jury that you didn't intend to drink them however.

    Also, you need to go to the actual legal code, not someone's interpretation of it. Consider my point of view. I have no idea where this page came from or how accurate it might be.

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    Well. if that is exactly as its worded in Fl. law, it would appear to me {remember IANAL] that one would in fact be able to consume alcohol.
    Now, being in a situation, {driving, having to pull your weapon, or God forbid, shooting someone in Self Defense}, I would imagine you would rather go through the equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, rather than face what would most likely consume the next few years of your life.


    I for one wouldn't do it.
    Do I drink one or two, while at home during the course of the day, one or maybe two nights a week, yes, but I think that would NOT be nowhere near as scrutinized.
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    this iterature is from Florida firearms 7th edition book, why would he say its ok to order drinks its kinda contradicting the law, and right after he says while it may be legal to carry in a restaurant that serves liquor in other states it may be illegal. just kind of fuzzy inerpretation here on what he means by DRINKS......
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    Looks like you could consume the liquid lunch, as long as the gun stays in the holster. As to driving home, that's another matter.

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    I guess it's all a matter of judgement I.e. If you do drink don't drive and hope not to get into any issues that may involve drawing or using your weapon::::
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    Yes you can sit in a restaurant that serves alcohol and drink alcohol while armed, no you can not enter the "bar" portion of the restaurant even if you aren't drinking, yes you can be legally too intoxicated to drive and still be legally armed as long as you keep the firearm out of your hands unless you are actively defending your drunk self from a legitimate deadly threat.

    Trouble is lack of common sense increases with your BAC, so if you want to have a beer or two with lunch or dinner you're good to go. Have more than that and you're seriously pushing your luck.

    Drink & Carry responsibly.
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    WE don't have the issue. It's quite legal to carry in to any bar, or practically anywhere else that isn't posted.

    I really recommend reading the law itself, rather than someone's opinion or summary of it. Look at the law in terms of not only what is said, but what's NOT said.

    Here, you can drink, you just can't be under the influence..... that's a fine line. IMHO it's just best to never drink anything alcoholic while carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    Send that person back to school to learn better English. Not sure what they are really trying to say. Never drink and carry tho. No matter where you are or what the law is. It you ever shoot a BG and you have even .001% in you your troubles may easily go up exponentially.
    Can you cite any examples that support your contention ("It (sic) you ever shoot a BG and you have even .001% in you your troubles may easily go up exponentially."). I have looked and have never found a single case to support this urban myth.


    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Well. if that is exactly as its worded in Fl. law, it would appear to me {remember IANAL] that one would in fact be able to consume alcohol.
    Now, being in a situation, {driving, having to pull your weapon, or God forbid, shooting someone in Self Defense}, I would imagine you would rather go through the equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, rather than face what would most likely consume the next few years of your life.

    I for one wouldn't do it. ...
    Florida law (and the law in several other States as well) does in fact provide that:
    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Yes you can sit in a restaurant that serves alcohol and drink alcohol while armed, no you can not enter the "bar" portion of the restaurant even if you aren't drinking, yes you can be legally too intoxicated to drive and still be legally armed as long as you keep the firearm out of your hands unless you are actively defending your drunk self from a legitimate deadly threat.
    I for one do not hesitate to have a cocktail or glass of wine with my meal when out, and I see no reason to limit my ability to protect myself, or my loved ones, should we face danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Yes you can sit in a restaurant that serves alcohol and drink alcohol while armed, no you can not enter the "bar" portion of the restaurant even if you aren't drinking, yes you can be legally too intoxicated to drive and still be legally armed as long as you keep the firearm out of your hands unless you are actively defending your drunk self from a legitimate deadly threat.

    Trouble is lack of common sense increases with your BAC, so if you want to have a beer or two with lunch or dinner you're good to go. Have more than that and you're seriously pushing your luck.

    Drink & Carry responsibly.
    He's got it exactly right per FL law.
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    Id look up the legislative history on it to be sure. Ambiguities are often resolved by using citizens as guinea pigs when the State wants to find out what the legislature really meant.
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    I'd personally stay away from the fire water while carrying. Lawyers and DAs will question everything and they have the benefit of hindsight. They also only have to convince 12 people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. Don't just give them something to shine a light on, like being under the influence of alcohol.
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