Son busted at Boise Hawks ball game.

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    Sounds like they just need another sign?

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    If you son was made with a weapon, it's time to rethink what concealed carry is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    Sporting events are off limits to CCW in Florida. Its the Law......so I don't see many sporting events in person.
    Yeah that irony was not lost on me when I went and saw Eric Clapton at the Times forum and legally carried and could have bought a beer. A few nights later when hockey game comes to town it's prohibited.

    I know there is a rash of violence at sporting events but responsible folks tend to act responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    You need to realize that your rights end when they infringe on another's rights. The entity that owns the venue has the same rights as you and yours do not trump theirs. Don't agree with their policies? Don't go there.
    I agree with you in principle, that one's rights end where they infringe on another's. However, I would argue that allowing restrictions based upon their anti sentiments are an infringement. While businesses may be private property, they are still, at least generally, open to the public. The presence of a concealed weapon, does not pose the same issues as other typical requirements, such requiring common clothing or banning smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    My business is open to the public, but I assure you that once you walk through my doors, you will abide by my rules.
    So you have declared your business immune to government regulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    If I tell you that you cannot carry a weapon on my property how am I preventing you from protecting yourself? You can easily protect yourself by staying away.

    I understand the problem though. Last night I went to see a young friend play football in another town. There was no secure place to park my car other than the schools parking lot. In order to both follow the law and to see my friend play I had to leave my weapon at home. I made the choice to be unprotected for a 200 mile road trip as well as during the game.

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    I have a gun vault under the sit attached with steel cable for the situation like that, I doubt if BG carry the wire cutter with him

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    NC Bullseye nailed it.

    Some seem to want to be able to control their own private property, but don't want to extend the same right to others. And want some bureaucrat in some capital some place telling private property owners what they should allow or not.

    Clearly, in some situations the unsecured carry of deadly weapons could be detrimental. This is just common sense. A giant sports stadium where tempers sometimes flare would be an example. For this reason, in many states where one has to pay admission CCW is prohibited.

    Sounds like it was a good outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    I agree with you in principle, that one's rights end where they infringe on another's. However, I would argue that allowing restrictions based upon their anti sentiments are an infringement. While businesses may be private property, they are still, at least generally, open to the public. The presence of a concealed weapon, does not pose the same issues as other typical requirements, such requiring common clothing or banning smoking.
    Once again, nothing gives you the right to negate another's rights even if they are open to the public. They may be allowing the public in but they do not have to give up their rights to restrict clientele based on THEIR feelings of what constitutes safety. You are not being forced into their business (usually) so, let your spending dollars be your voice.

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    I think your son needs more practice at being "the grey man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twoglocks View Post
    I have a gun vault under the sit attached with steel cable for the situation like that, I doubt if BG carry the wire cutter with him
    I carry a multi tool (Victorinox Swiss Tool) wanna bet I can't cut that cable? My Secure-it (aka COM) has a cable too. Since I was monting it permanently, I wanted to see how hard it was to cut... I'm glad I opted for the permanent mount.

    As to the rest of it... Your rights end at my door. Even if I'm a public place. In order to open my doors, I have to agree to comply with any local, state and federal regs... If the state I have this place in does not give signage the force of law, I do have signage that states I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason... If you are carrying on my property, and I "make you" you can be asked to leave... failure to comply is trespass. If you fail once LEO gets there, you'll spend a "night in the box!" Well maybe not the latter, but you will be escorted out by LEO.

    I have owned businesses which were open to the public. I would never put up a gun buster sign... but you bet your bottom dollar, if you came in strapped and flaunting it... You'd be out on yer ear. But if you inadvertently printed, I wouldn't give a rip.. Probably wouldn't care much if you OC, as long as there was no attitude with it. But a guy like Gecko, or some members of the Taxideinae family would be hard pressed to enjoy my services.
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    Hint at game, ankle or pocket carry. Here, it is not illegal unless posted, then it is. However, I don't go anywhere nor into any business if I can do anything to prevent it .... if I can't carry. As I told one owner, oh... you posted your business .... that's too bad cuz I'll have to start getting stuff elsewhere. He replied, we are the only one's who carry this here. My reply, I can get them "on-line" , I just have to wait a couple of days and it's sitting at my door, so I can save gas $$ too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    Sporting events are off limits to CCW in Florida. Its the Law......so I don't see many sporting events in person.
    I just recently moved to Orlando and I've been studying florida laws but this is the first I have heard of this? Can you provide a link that backs this up? Not saying you're wrong but I've just never seen this mentioned anywhere.

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    While not posted, I know there are some customers of mine that would probably not appreciate the fact that I'm armed.

    I'm also fairly certain that some of the parents of the kids my children play with would also feel discomfort knowing that I'm armed.

    So...in the interest of keeping everyone happy, I carry with some discretion. Two pocket pistols, in holsters with anti-print panels. At other times, a Smartcarry.

    Concealed means just that.

    And of course, you should obey your own local laws. That said, there are advantages to not stampeding the sheep.

    Nothing to see here...move along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrange View Post
    I just recently moved to Orlando and I've been studying florida laws but this is the first I have heard of this? Can you provide a link that backs this up? Not saying you're wrong but I've just never seen this mentioned anywhere.
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    (12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrange View Post
    I just recently moved to Orlando and I've been studying florida laws but this is the first I have heard of this? Can you provide a link that backs this up? Not saying you're wrong but I've just never seen this mentioned anywhere.
    or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
    google fs 790, select the link to the statute, in the upper right hand corner select view entire chapter, use crtl F to search for key words and such. I find it quite useful. in this case the word prohibited got it but athletic would have worked faster.
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