So I was being fitted for a new suit today carrying my PT709 IWB at 3 o'clock with a clip style holster. Lots of measuring, jackets/shirts/pants on and off, etc. and was never once made by the fitter. Creative turning and slipping it into the pants pocket while turned to one side or the other when the time came. He never appeared to detect it. One thing I really like about that little 709 is my ability to conceal it even under unusual circumstances. Not sure I could have pulled that off with anything other than a j-frame (of which I have a few of those also).