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    The more the BGs are aware that the good guys MAY have guns, it does work to deter some elements of crime. Nothing scientific on my part, just common sense, so don't ask for proof or evidence....just my opinion.
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    """"Still, experts worry crime rates might go up again after a nearly 10 percent drop per capita in police budgets in recent years.

    "Lots of cuts in crime control and crime prevention," says Fox, "can create problems in the future in keeping crime rate low."""""


    I think some large police departments (NY City & LA), are worried about budget cuts......
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    If you want to find out why more guns equals less crime, then read more guns less crime by John R. Lott JR. He has about 30 years research of all countys and cities in the U.S. It is worth reading and will answer a lot of questions.

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    Here's a thought for consideration. Illegal immigrants deal in cash and often carry a lot of it. They also don't report crimes when they are the victim, so crimes against the immigrant population don't show in the statistics. That's not the only reason for declining crime rates, but it is one that is often overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxytwo View Post
    If you want to find out why more guns equals less crime, then read more guns less crime by John R. Lott JR. He has about 30 years research of all countys and cities in the U.S. It is worth reading and will answer a lot of questions.
    Hum, John R. Lott Jr.?

    Is that the same John R. Lott Jr. who wrote the article in 2008 calling the 'Recession' a media myth? And even suggesting it was some sort of liberal conspiracy against the Bush administration?

    The 'Recession' Is a Media Myth - Opinion - FOXNews.com

    It's official: U.S. in a recession since December 2007 - Dec. 1, 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by ITW View Post
    Hum, John R. Lott Jr.?

    Is that the same John R. Lott Jr. who wrote the article in 2008 calling the 'Recession' a media myth? And even suggesting it was some sort of liberal conspiracy against the Bush administration?

    The 'Recession' Is a Media Myth - Opinion - FOXNews.com

    It's official: U.S. in a recession since December 2007 - Dec. 1, 2008
    Yeah a lot of folks have debunked John Lott at times. But the fact is, that there are NO conclusive arguments for either side of this argument, according to scientists who studied the published results of both sides.

    There is no one answer. If you don't think carrying a weapon will keep you safer, don't do it. If you think it will keep you safer, carry on.

    For me it's simple. According to the National Safety Council, my odds of dying are 1 in 306 that it will happen by assault with a firearm. Those are about the same odds (1 in about 314) that I will have a house fire requiring the services of a fire department. I've already had one of those, so I have a fire extinguisher, to give me a fighting chance next time. I carry a handgun to give me a fighting chance in the event of a firearms assault.

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    I had an interesting conversation with a federal inmate who stated he was glad he is no longer into burglarizing homes, and noted the danger of getting your arse shot off these days if you do.

    This statement alone from a convict is more indicative and telling to me than all the think tank statistics proposed so far in this genre.
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    What percentage of felons want to get shot while commiting their crime? Probably a fraction dont care or welcome getting shot, but the vast majority want to get away alive in order to do moar stoopid crap...so guns matter IMHO.

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    The reason is probably more subtle than anything to do with firearm ownership among the public. That rate is still around 5 percent or so (CCW).

    If you've read any of the Freakonomics books, you'll know that causality is not correlation. That is, even if you have rising rates of gun ownership, and you have falling crime, that doesn't necessarily mean that one causes the other.

    More likely, the depressed economy makes the prospect of encountering the criminal justice system much more daunting. In the old days, if you got arrested, you got someone to bail you out, got an attorney, maybe did a little time. Very different today. There are heavy court costs, you'll pay for your time in jail, fees and charges all over the place, on top of the other stuff - which is much more expensive now.

    Money being tighter, it means you'll likely do a lot of time and not get bail, so the price of committing crime has gotten high enough that it's likely a strong deterrent in and of itself. What? You gonna mug some housewife leaving Wal-Mart for her purse? You'll snag a debit card and maybe $20 in cash, and risk a 10-year term in the slammer. Probably something more like that.
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    Mmmmm, could it possibly be that crime is sometimes NOT being reported to show a drop in the rates of certain crimes...either intentionally or because of a lack of personnel?
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    Did you read the Lott article you cited? His point was the media reported "recession" under Pres. Bush when the economic figures were as good or better than they had been under Pres. Clinton, when the media did NOT report "recession."

    And, he closed this way:
    The news media have generated a lot of fear. Ben Stein has a point when he says “The actual economic conditions are not that bad. I think if we have a recession, if we have a serious recession, a great deal will lie at the media’s feet.” Hopefully a little perspective will enter the picture before even more harm is done.
    (emphasis added)

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    Hum, John R. Lott Jr.?

    Is that the same John R. Lott Jr. who wrote the article in 2008 calling the 'Recession' a media myth? And even suggesting it was some sort of liberal conspiracy against the Bush administration?

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    54% of people make up 86% of the statistics they quote.























    I made those numbers up.
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    One thing that comes to mind is that thing call "Election Year" next year.!.!.!

    NO No no that can not be it!!!

    Let me think about it some more...I'll have to get back to you.

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    This is not true at all, the Vice-President Joe Biden says crime is on the rise! Rape is up, murder is up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    Violent crime has been dropping since the mid 1990's and that is about when many states started passing concealed carry laws.
    Even though most gun owners have access to "high capacity" magazines, crime is down.
    More states than ever have concealed carry and crime is down.
    Anti-gun people got an explanation for that?
    Dang- reality keeps knocking down the anti-gun B.S.
    As much as I'd like to agree with this concept as a gun nut, correlation does not equal causation... even when it suits my needs.

    Diet Coke consumption has increased since the 1990s, that doesn't mean that diet Coke consumption reduces crime.
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