Never Knew I was Concealed

This is a discussion on Never Knew I was Concealed within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SFury Liberal in this case means a group that is out of touch to varying degrees with reality. Liberals have varying degrees ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    Liberal in this case means a group that is out of touch to varying degrees with reality. Liberals have varying degrees of desire to live, and to force others, to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist. Socialist may also be a good term to use instead of liberal.
    I have no idea what this is referring too. Did I just walk through a wardrobe or something? Where am I?
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    WOW, Sorry my post went political. Bases have rule and we must comply. I lived on many bases during my 24 years in the AF and Guam was one that had no possession of legally concealed weapons. But I had a Shotgun and we use to have Turkey Shoots every year on base.

    I must lean to the post on Ft. Hood though. Would things be different IF someone was there with a concealed carry to STOP what happened? Guess we will never know.

    Thanks for the input. Have a Good One Guys.
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    If your daughter 'could have known', but didn't...then no one would know.
    Congrats on the CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    It's people like you that give away our 2nd Amendment rights ITW.
    IAm_Not_Lost, liberal was not a misused term on my part. Liberal is not radical. It was a radical notion to allow citizens the right to have arms. Then, and now, to a big degree. There are far more nations in the world that still deny their citizens the right to bear arms, or to even protect themselves from criminals. Liberal in this case means a group that is out of touch to varying degrees with reality. Liberals have varying degrees of desire to live, and to force others, to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist. Socialist may also be a good term to use instead of liberal.
    (edit) Note to the Mods: I apologize in advance for taking this in a semi-political direction, but the anti-liberal comment warranted a response.

    From dictionary.com: "liberal: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values"
    From thefreedictionary.com: "liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry."
    Aslo from the freedictionary.com : "Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism" (Note the capital L.

    In as much as it was a "fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions" the right to bear arms was a radical concept.

    For me, accepting the concept of concealed carry and deciding that it was something that I believe in and support was a liberal concept.

    Statements like: "Liberals have varying degrees of desire to live, and to force others, to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist. Socialist may also be a good term to use instead of liberal. " are absurd, at least to the extent that the same can be said about Conservatives, or perhaps "Capitalist" would be a better word.

    Yes, you stepped through the looking glass. The terms Liberal, and liberal are often times used as a slur against those who don't espouse the grandeur of a certain political party and this has been popularized in certain media outlets such as the Fox Propaganda channel and talk radio. Unfortunately, it seems that one can not, or rather one is not permitted, to believe in individual liberties (a word that has an interesting root) without all the other baggage.

    The unfortunate part is that there is some truth to the argument. It would seem that most politicians are extremists and consequently we (any Moderates) are caught in a never ending struggle trying to achieve a state of balance in the dichotomy. The problem is that gun rights has become one of the polarizing issues and with votes often times along part lines. This leaves one between the proverbial, "rock and a hard place" where you can side with either group that says that they support personal liberty and choice, as long as the choice agrees with their other doctrines.

    The side effect is that in order to believe in and discuss your 2nd amendment rights, you must learn to ignore the mental masturbation in the form of "Liberal Bashing", which I think is dangerously close to and should be covered by the "do not discuss politics" here rule. In fact, I have been considering raising this subject with the forum administrators.

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    One thing that needs to be remembered about the military. Very few members are highly trained in the use of firearms. The majority of military members, unless in a direct combat career field, qualify once a year at the most. That qualification is normally not with a handgun. I would be willing to bet that the majority of us shoot more in a month than most military personnel do in a year. Do you really want someone who has a rudimentary understanding of firearms carrying? The uniform does not make them qualified in the safe use of arms. Just like a conceal carry class does not make a civilian qualified in the safe use of arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    I've never understood the military policy of no guns. They train people to use firearms responsibly 24/7 and they often disarm their own as well.

    If you can't trust the people you are training to fight, most of them anyways, then why are you training them? It's the by-product of liberal idyllic beliefs intruding into reality. A deadly combination waiting to blow up. Again at any rate.

    People need to accept reality, and live in the reality of existence. You can live a fulfilling life while accepting that reality is fraught with peril. You don't let the darkness control you. We also don't have to impose our will on others as long as what we are doing causes no harm to others.
    Just this week there was an accidental shooting of a Marine by his buddy here on the base. I believe they were in the barracks or base housing. He is recovering and the public affairs officer stated that he will face charges. Frankly, I understand the reasons for not allowing weapons although its a true PITA as I live miles away from town where the base is located, so I’m screwed anytime I plan to dash in while in town. I always thought that a local business across from the main gate could offer a quick-storage service with lock boxes.
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    Heck, the other day my dimwit brother never noticed when my t-shirt rode over my IWB while moving bags of stuff around...& he was standing over me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    One thing that needs to be remembered about civilians. Very few are highly trained in the use of firearms. The majority of civilians with CC permits shootonce a year at the most. Every day people with rudimentary understanding of firearms are carrying. Just like a conceal carry class does not make a civilian qualified in the safe use of arms.
    Fixed it for ya. Do you guys think that all people that have a CC permit are as fanatical about them as the ones that post on this board? Let me tell you they are not, this board makes up a very small percentage of the people with CC permits and I bet that 3/4 of the posters on this board have very little training or gun handling experience. News flash, most CC permit holders have no training other then the CC permit class if there is one and most CC permit holders don't make it to the range every year. Hell in Washington State there isn't even a CC permit class or at least there wasn't a few years ago.

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    It is weird. Go to work and shoot machine guns and rocket launchers, but can't carry a privately owned pistol.

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    Friend probably said something along the lines of.. "OMG! He was carrying a gun? Why would he do that? Don't you know that GUNS KILL PEOPLE?!?!"

    LOL.

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    Keep the political commentary out of it.

    9. We have learned from bitter experience that discussions of certain subjects (politics, religion, abortion, sexual orientation, etc) often degenerate quickly. For this reason, we DO NOT allow the discussion of these topics. We discourage "caliber war" threads and strongly encourage you not to post a thread starting one. Regardless of your level of experience, caliber is a personal preference and what is right for you may not be right for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    It is weird. Go to work and shoot machine guns and rocket launchers, but can't carry a privately owned pistol.
    Not everyone in the military does this, by a long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    It is weird. Go to work and shoot machine guns and rocket launchers, but can't carry a privately owned pistol.
    I spent 24 years in the military, other than annual qualification training, once I became a Flight Line Superintendent. I never touched a military weapon.
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    To the OP was there a safe in the room? If there was not a safe in the room or you did not have a com box tethered to the bed I would have not left it in the room. Housekeeping, Maintance,Bell Hops with keys. I would have asked at the front desk if I can get one of the safe deposit boxes, Step into a private room or bathroom dropped in the firearm, then hand box back to be secured. Last April, I took my 26 with me to Florida and we stayed at a hotel the night before we left for a cruise. I made prior arrangements to leave my extra cash and credit cards and other valuables (My 26 is valuable to me) while I was on the cruise. After the cruise I swung past the hotel turn in my key and emptied the box. No problems the hotel did not mind me using the box after checking-out 4 days prior.

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    As a military retiree and now working as a civilian, I would like to be able to CC on an installation. Installation Commander's call though.
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