September 20th, 2011 02:35 PM
Never Knew I was Concealed
Went to San Antonio to visit my daughter who is serving in the Military. While there I wanted to do some work at our Ranch so she said she wanted to go and asked if a friend could come along? Sure, I could use some extra muscle.
Stayed concealed all day and she nor her friend never knew. Wife always knows. Heading back they wanted to pick up some clothes on base. Our hotel was near and I said I would have to drop by the hotel first. (You see the military has this thing about possession of legally concealed weapons and is prohibited under Federal Law. Violators will be arrested and weapons confiscated. Strange they strip you of your Second Amendment Rights.) I disagree but an M16 trumps a G26.
I ran up to the room, put the G26 in the safe and back down. Later that evening they asked why I had to stop first. I changed the subject. I know my daughter prolly knew. Her friend from St Louis, Illinois never did. The next day she told her friend who was shocked. I said well, look where he’s from.
“For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.”
September 20th, 2011 02:44 PM
Yeah I've pretty much given up trying to explain it to people who are "shocked" by the notion that I am/was armed in their presence. I've started giving the same answer I give to people who ask me why I study martial arts, i.e., some variation of "Why do you need to be a 4th degree black belt?" Answer: "What if I need to hurt somebody?"
So "Why do you need to carry a gun?" is answered by "What if I need to shoot somebody? How am I supposed to do that without a gun?" Duhhhh....
And many of these are DETROIT folks!! Go Figure!
"Be justified. Blood may be easily wiped from the sword.
It cannot, however, be put back from where it came." --Quicksabre
September 20th, 2011 04:30 PM
Sounds like you are carrying properly. Way to go.
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September 20th, 2011 04:42 PM
Of course he was shocked. He realizes how close he came to being killed!
The next day she told her friend who was shocked. I said well, look where he’s from
September 20th, 2011 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by mlr1m
Coker you obviously took the effort to respect the US Army's policies (not that you had choice in the matter ) but it goes to show good responsible carry. Also good show in taking into consideration the "other" parties who aren't as taken to our stance at defense.
"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
"The will to survive is not as important as the will to prevail ... the answer to criminal aggression is retaliation."
September 20th, 2011 05:20 PM
I carried concealed at the Eastern Idaho State fair. My brother ( from California) and his friend from Idaho were with me all day. I carry a 3" 1911 and I wanted to know if they ever had a clue I was armed. All day they never even suspected. On the way out I made a point to say that we were in danger all day because I was armed. I knew my brother was neutral regarding guns but did not know about the friend. He just laughed but seemed good with it. My point is unless you are looking for a gun you will never see it.. Add to that that proably 1 in a 1000 people are even looking. Carry always if you can.
In a gun fight, you can not miss fast enough, to catch up.
September 20th, 2011 06:03 PM
First you have to realize the military plays under a different set of rules. One example would be, on the outside, no one would think twice if a boss dated an employee. In the military a superior had better not get caught dating a subordinate, not unless they want their career ended. They do not strip you of your 2A rights though, you are allowed to carry a weapon, just not on base. Just like you can't carry in a Federal building. Military law and civilian law differs quite a bit, they have their reasons for their rukles and regulations.
Originally Posted by coker737
Freedom doesn't come free. It is bought and paid for by the lives and blood of our men and women in uniform.
NRA Life Member
September 20th, 2011 08:02 PM
I've never understood the military policy of no guns. They train people to use firearms responsibly 24/7 and they often disarm their own as well.
If you can't trust the people you are training to fight, most of them anyways, then why are you training them? It's the by-product of liberal idyllic beliefs intruding into reality. A deadly combination waiting to blow up. Again at any rate.
People need to accept reality, and live in the reality of existence. You can live a fulfilling life while accepting that reality is fraught with peril. You don't let the darkness control you. We also don't have to impose our will on others as long as what we are doing causes no harm to others.
September 20th, 2011 08:19 PM
I've carried on 2 military bases in the past year. One's rules were if you were on post more than 2 weeks you had to report it to the Provost Marshall & have a valid carry permit, the other had no rule other than a valid carry permit. Both were very friendly, and no more hassle than the issue of bringing a POV on post. Military bases are not a banned location by federal law, no more than Banks. Some Posts are individually more restrictive than others. Several have public use rifle and pistol ranges, too.
September 20th, 2011 08:34 PM
For example here are the Quantico shooting clubs rules for carrying weapons.
Originally Posted by starbasessd
* All firearms are CASED and UNLOADED
* A cased firearm must not be readily accessible in the vehicle
* Ammo must be as far away from a cased firearm as possible; ammo should be cased, if practicable, and not readily accessible
* All magazines must be unloaded
Quantico Shooting Club
Prohibitions of Carrying Firearms or Weapons Open or Concealed onto Federal Installations
As with each citizen’s right to bear arms, there are limits when and where to bear arms. Extreme caution and prudent judgment must be used when deciding to carry a personal firearm or weapon so you must know the law. Virginia concealed carry permits DO NOT apply on MCBQ or any military installation. Before attempting to enter the military installation you must ensure you are in full compliance with the firearms transport rules.
The law involving carrying a firearm or weapon onto federal property is specific and clear. Possession of Firearms and Dangerous Weapons in federal facilities, buildings, or Installations is illegal and is in violation of Section 930, Title 18, United States Code. Law Enforcement personnel, when entering federal facilities, buildings and/or installations must identify themselves prior to entry if armed. Military reserve personnel whose civilian profession require the carrying of a weapon, openly or concealed, are not authorized to carry or bring their duty weapon on a federal installation, into a federal building, or facility. Full time civilian police officers performing drill, annual training, or while in support of an operation, may not bring their duty weapon, open or concealed, onto a federal installation, into a federal building, or facility. Unless the carrying of a concealed weapon is in support of a federal mission, or so directed, weapons will not be brought onto a federal installation, into a federal building or facility.
The following is a list of items that are listed as illegal and may not be carried onto a federal installation or into a federal facility or building.
Firearms (of any type unless declared and cleared by the installation Provost Marshal)
Short Barrelled Firearms
Armor Piercing Ammunition
Chemical Dispensing Devices
Clubs or Night Sticks
Source: Defense Link - The Official Home of the Department of Defense
Consent to Search
Commanders of military installations, aircraft, or vessels may authorize personnel to conduct searches of persons or property upon entry to or exit from the installation, aircraft, or vessel. The justification for the search is the need to make sure the security, military fitness, or good order and discipline of the command is maintained. Any person and their property entering MCBQ is subject to search.
The best policy is to call base authorities before and whenever you bring a firearm onto a military base or gated federal facility. That way you can secure the proper permit if available. Otherwise... NO GUN.
It used to amaze me the zeal with which the Marines would control firearms and ammunition on Marine Corps property. Down to counting individual rounds and prohibiting the possession of even one round of ammunition in areas or at times when it was not authorized. This is done because there have been unfortunate incidents. Not to mention the security concerns.
September 20th, 2011 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by SFury
Liberal idyllic beliefs? LOL
Seriously, do you not see the security implications of letting unknown persons carry weapons onto a military installation?
You really should think about enlisting at your earliest opportunity. No, you can't bring your gun.
September 20th, 2011 10:29 PM
It was liberal ideals that originally GOT us the right to bear arms to begin with friend. The term "liberal", and "conservative" have become warped because of political maneuvering, just remember what being liberal actually means, i.e. it would be very liberal of the government to allow anybody to carry guns on a military base.
Originally Posted by SFury
"Brilliant. So now we got a huge guy theory, and a serial crusher theory. Top notch. What's your name?" - Paul Smecker
September 20th, 2011 10:31 PM
sorry, but the shooting at Fort Hood comes to mind. Doesn't appear that the military law was working so well on that day. Just exactly what is the intent of the military law to disarm everyone coming on base, even those that have passed criminal background checks are are legally licensed to carry a firearm? In my mind, the military has effectively created another killing field for anyone wanting to inflict as high a body count as possible knowing they will engage ZERO resistance.
Originally Posted by archer51
But I'm sure the military has reasons for disarming everyone that simple civilians like myself would never understand.
Apologize for my sarcasm, but in my eyes, its just another "gun free zone", and we all know how well those work.
Kimbers are the guns you show your friends....Glocks are the ones you show your enemies.
September 20th, 2011 10:46 PM
The military is not a gun free zone and it's not difficult to understand.
Originally Posted by zonker1986
It's just a gun free zone for unauthorized personnel.
There are good reasons for this.
Expensive and dangerous government property is one reason. Terrorism is another. Disgruntled citizens and/or military members are another.
The Ft. Hood shooter was a military member. He used his access to base and status as a military member to commit his crimes.
To suggest that all military members be armed at all times in CONUS, and to suggest that Joe public be allowed to waltz right onto military bases with firearms over an isolated incident like Ft. Hood is laughable and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the military operates outside of a war zone.
September 20th, 2011 11:39 PM
It's people like you that give away our 2nd Amendment rights ITW.
A military base of trained personnel should be able to handle a person or two that cause problems.
Let's face it, most people going to a military base are not criminals. They are law abiding citizens. It's stupid to restrict the rights of the majority because of the minority that won't obey the rules no matter what. It's that simple.
IAm_Not_Lost, liberal was not a misused term on my part. Liberal is not radical. It was a radical notion to allow citizens the right to have arms. Then, and now, to a big degree. There are far more nations in the world that still deny their citizens the right to bear arms, or to even protect themselves from criminals. Liberal in this case means a group that is out of touch to varying degrees with reality. Liberals have varying degrees of desire to live, and to force others, to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist. Socialist may also be a good term to use instead of liberal.
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