This is a discussion on Road Rage and my LC9 within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Guantes I keep seeing this. Just because you are first to call or be listened to does not mean that your statement ...
When you called did you tell them that you pointed a handgun at the Guy and he left? If you left that part out it might look as you felt you did something wrong should the other Guy decide to call it in himself.....
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To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will.
If you were in NY you would be going to jail for this. Unless he was pointing a gun or pulling a knife and he was within striking distance and no way for you to retreat, you'd be sitting in jail, which is total BS! Guess your glad you live in a state that allows you to defend yourself before your life is in immediate danger. Good job! ( I may do the same in your situation but would be hesitant to report it since I don't want to take a crap for the next 10 years in the middle if a cell)
I agree with the last couple of posters. Unlike the guns-solve-all-problems cheerleaders here, I'll say that I didn't see anything in your story that would compel me to brandish a firearm.
I am sitting in a 2000 lb. weapon. They are on foot and have not displayed a weapon. I win.
.. but that's just me.
Last edited by SIXTO; October 5th, 2011 at 01:05 AM.
Sure, I'd have my gun handy, but drawing down on some loudmouthed boob is a bit too potentially lethal IN MY OPINION. If he's not ready to pull the trigger, then it's just brandishing.
Personally, I like to avoid trials and potential jail time. ....but that's just me.
We aren't "guns-solve-all-problems cheerleaders" bud. If you have not been in this situation, and you obviously have not or didn't learn anything from it if you have, then I suggest you are just being naive. He could not move his vehicle as it was pinned between two cars, at least not without endangering the safety of the person(s) in the car behind him.
And a nut, who did what the OP described with his multi-ton weapon, standing at his drivers door pounding on the glass has already proven himself to be a danger. The OP handled it well. I doubt you would have come out of the encounter without being injured from the way you insinuate you would have handled it.
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The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)
Let me know how it works out.
Were it me, I'd at least like to prove I TRIED to extricate myself by ramming a couple cars as a minimum. Going for lethal force (my gun) when all I have is an enraged loon shouting and banging on my window is weak sauce for a jury, IMHO.
Ya did good. Along with Castle Doctrine, defense of property, and Stand Your Ground statutes, some states have laws that permit the defensive display of a gun. According to Lott, of the 2 1/2 million defensive uses of a firearm that occur each year, seldom is the gun fired. You have to know how far your jurisdiction will let you go. If 911 is recording the audio, use the word "Sir" and "Please." "Please get away from my car." "Don't break my window, sir." And put it on them. "Don't make me shoot you."
I probably wouldn't have backed up in order to leave a little room behind. I might have called in the dangerously aggressive driving the minute I noticed it. The cell phone camera might have been interesting to view. All in all, ya did good.
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Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
("Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.")
-Virgil, Aeneid, vi, 95
I still think the OP handled it very well. Apparently, you think he didn't do enough to get out of there. Playing demolition derby, to me seems like a stupid way of handling it. He's already being threatened by the nut, why endanger the person, possibly a woman and child or children, behind him by bashing his vehicle into them to try to extricate himself from the situation.
I'm not sure you really 100% understand the scenario the OP laid out Mac, and if you do, then I don't think I'd want to be anywhere near you if you were in a similar situation because as far as I can tell, you'd be of the opinion "to hell with anyone else as long as you made it out ok". That seems pretty self centered to me.