This is a discussion on Security searches within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by gunsnroses You have been to a Oakland Raider game I assume? lol Hey! Raiders fan here!!! Anyhow, the "security" stuff at these ...
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I agree that most security check points are to "look" good. I went to a BSU game the other day. I did not carry. Some 18 year old girl checked me through. Used the back of her hand and touched both of my front pockets. That's it. Oh they did want to see under my hat. My point is and remains "if you will not allow me to protect myself who will?" No one seems to have an answer for me.
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As others have said, the security "searches" are a joke, and are primarily "eye candy" to make the unaware "feel good that something is being done to keep them safe"!!!
What really irks me is that the people in power are so uptight about being "politically correct" about not offending anyone by "profiling", that they will insist on patting down a 6 year old kid just because they are the "x th" person through the line, but will let a late 20ish-early 30ish young male of obvious middle eastern origin pass thru because they are the "n th" person in line and it isn't their number to be patted down, and we might offend them if we pulled them out of line because that would be racial profiling!!!!
My wife, who is a 61 year old grandmother, has been searched (I guess she must look like an Irish terrorist because she has red hair) while much more likely looking suspects have been passed through security at the airport without being searched! I guess it is OK to offend a caucasian grandmother, but we musn't offend anyone who has a darker complexion! That would be profiling! But last I heard, it wasn't any little old grandma who hijacked any planes or had bombs in their underwear! Done with rant.
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Last edited by walleye; October 8th, 2011 at 04:26 AM.
Walleye said it well-it may be dumb at times but it is what we have to deal with possible violence. Bottom line as CDW said--You don't like it, don't go. If you decide that the search is ridiculous, which they usually are, and decide that you are special and know better--accept the consequences of violating the requirement. Can you change the mindset? Can any of us really change the mindset? Probably not, so grin and bear it---its the rules and its the law depending on the venue and the location.
I choose not to participate in this TSA style dog and pony.Hopefully there are enough like minded people that agree and don't attend thus hitting these airlines, football franchises and the like in their wallets to the point where they fail or wise up.The politically correct "grin and bear it "mentality is the precise reason why our rights have been eroded for the past 30 years or so.We either stand up now or become compliant socialists
I went through airport security the other day, after passing through the body scanner I was shaking my left wrist where my watch was cause the sticking of the watch due to sweat bothers me. Apparently this raises a suspicion because not long after I heard over the radio from the nearest TSA agent by me to check my lower arm. She asked to see my watch and that was that.
I'm with Tim. If I have to submit to a frisk in order to be there, I really don't need to be there.
As with most reactionaries, "you keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means." Perhaps you meant fascism, which might come closer to describing the security theater since 9/11. What astounds me is that the people who are currently calling this security theater names (even when they misuse them) tend to be the same people who clamored for such searches, wiretaps and other instructions when they were in a panic after 9/11. Why didn't "we" stand up a decade ago? What has changed? Is it the passage of time and growing complacency? Are we back to our illusion of invulnerability? Is it the ubiquitous ADHD of the American populace? Is it a black democrat in office instead of a white New Englander playing Texas cowboy? Is it not the rules, but who is enforcing them?
Problem is that many in this country got "terrorized" just as the terrorists intended and were willing, from 9/12 on, to give over their freedom for a sense of security. That is the goal of terrorism, to cause a country to tear itself down our of fear. Governments of all stripes, consciously or not, use such disasters to increase their reach and, in this case, many Americans demanded it of their leaders. Anyone spoke against it in those early days (as long a Bush was president) was accused of naiveté and treasonous coddling of terrorism, of living in a pre-9/11 world. This has nothing to do with political correctness - in fact, this paranoia that engenders such drama has a decidedly ethnocentric bent to it.
But I do agree with you - refuse to fly, refuse to attend games, refuse to go anywhere that you feel is limiting your rights and intruding on your privacy. I just hope that those who make that choice, as I do, will also not be the first to cry out when the next attack happens.
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I said socialism aand I meant Socialism. The current regime is making the hail Mary in the "game" and are hoping that enough people have been cowed or indoctrinated into their way of thinking.History repeats itself and if we don't break the cycle instead of
rolling over we will have given the progressive liberals the socialist utopia they have been building since the sixties.Freedom isn't near as risky as acceptance.