CCW Denied, Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVille View Post
    While this may appear to work, I would hate to try this and get caught. Things could get awfully difficult for you.
    How so? You hold a valid permit that is recognized by the State you are in. Am I missing something?

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    I recently recieved my CCW in Oklahoma. I did not list any of my tickets(which I do not remeber when anyway) or my arrest in Texas for having nunchucks(a friends I did not know of) under my backseat 30 years ago.

    I question why he would have fraud charges on a hot check unless he purposely chose not to fix it before court action. This could be considered a red flag, but not sure why it would affect a CCW license this much later.

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    So you're saying he looked up his court records to fill out the application, and the fraud charge was not there? First step, print that page and keep it for evidence. Usually you are not held liable for something you did in good faith, i.e. you weren't lying, you just didn't remember and the court documents support that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    So you're saying he looked up his court records to fill out the application, and the fraud charge was not there? First step, print that page and keep it for evidence. Usually you are not held liable for something you did in good faith, i.e. you weren't lying, you just didn't remember and the court documents support that statement.
    I hate to appear to start trouble here, but I really don't buy into that "I didn't remember" stuff. People know and remember if they were arrested. Heck, I remember a traffic ticket from 1971 for "an improper turn."

    OP'S dad looked up the record, saw that the offense wasn't there, and thought he could get by without mentioning it. Turned out he was wrong.

    One thing the human brain doesn't want to do is get embarrassed. Maybe dad just didn't want the OP to know about that episode, or to know about the details, and so he took a chance. Now he has to deal with the unfortunate consequences.


    And to Maat regarding post #18: I don't know the exact wording of the question on the OK application, but if it was "Have you ever been arrested?" and you failed to mention the TX thingy, you may have committed perjury.

    If the question was, "Have you ever been convicted of..." then the answer depends on your plea or the jury trial/outcome, or if the charges got dropped.


    As to why this is important, that should be obvious. Your being in possession of a prohibited weapon (or hanging with folks who were in possession --stupid people-of a prohibited weapon) goes to your character and judgment and suitability to carry.

    Sure that arrest was a long time ago but you still are not taking responsibility (it was my friend's) and you didn't tell the truth on your weapon's application. I'd make that post disappear if I were you. It is not one I would want someone from the OK DPS to get curious about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roon View Post
    Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but if this doesn't work out in your favor and your father gets denied for this silly reason. Could he not just get a non-resident permit from say MN (which OK recognizes) and be good to go?
    I would be surprised if one state would issue an out-of-state permit to someone who was denied a permit in his home state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    I would be surprised if one state would issue an out-of-state permit to someone who was denied a permit in his home state.
    I do not believe MN has a requirement to list your misdemeanors. If that is the reason he was denied his OK permit it would not apply to a MN non-resident permit and I see no reason he wouldn't have it issued to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roon View Post
    I do not believe MN has a requirement to list your misdemeanors. If that is the reason he was denied his OK permit it would not apply to a MN non-resident permit and I see no reason he wouldn't have it issued to him.
    The reason is immaterial. A denial of a permit is a denial of a permit. It would be very interesting to see what Oklahoma's response would be if they uphold the denial and another state issues a non-resident permit and the gentleman has a problem while carrying under that non-res permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Hello. What I have typed up for you is my assumption of someone I do not even know. Please, read this and know that what I say is the truth and how it happened.
    Please, refrain from posting any of your knowledge in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maat View Post
    I recently recieved my CCW in Oklahoma. I did not list any of my tickets(which I do not remeber when anyway) or my arrest in Texas for having nunchucks(a friends I did not know of) under my backseat 30 years ago.

    I question why he would have fraud charges on a hot check unless he purposely chose not to fix it before court action. This could be considered a red flag, but not sure why it would affect a CCW license this much later.
    I don't know the entire story but he told me it was a mess with another car dealer in a town neighboring ours. And It did say that he was denied because he did not list the charge. Not because of the charge. I am fairly certain I can have it disputed and granted.

    I'll update this as I get information and to respond to questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roon View Post
    Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but if this doesn't work out in your favor and your father gets denied for this silly reason. Could he not just get a non-resident permit from say MN (which OK recognizes) and be good to go?
    No. Most states have that "if you are a resident" , in order to carry you MUST have a license from that state. Period.


    My comment that it is dumb about the "insufficient check" is, it's dumb to have in the law to list off everything in your friggin lifetime, misdeamors, etc..... that may be there, if it's not really (1) a disqualifier for a license , and (2) totally irrevelant to carrying a weapon. Who cares how many traffic tickets you've had, or if you shoplifted when you were 15 yrs old, or wrote an insufficient check some 25 years ago. I see that as nothing more than a "you didn't list it.... gotcha " clause. It's stupid. It's an "excuse" to deny a license for really, no good reason.
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    According to the original post, it says that he was charged with writing a fraudulent check. Did this result in either a felony or misdemeanor conviction? If it did not, though I am assuming here that it did because of the record status, the requirement to list it would be ludicrous. Being accused of something is not the same things as being adjudicated of it. An other example would be, getting charged with a speeding violation, but getting it dismissed. The fact that it was so long ago such that it surely would be beyond statute of limitations should also be grounds for not having to disclose. Most states also have a listing of offenses which will render you ineligible for a CCW as well as stating that you have to list if you have ever been convicted of X,Y, or Z, which depending on the time frame may not be a disqualification.

    Personally, I find the infinite record retention, including of things that have expired, charges were changed, records were expunged, etc to be very disturbing. If this stuff is kept indefinitely, beyond which it is supposed to be or relevant is a recipe for trouble. Hackers and other non-do-gooders have ways of getting at this information. Information that in some cases, arguably shouldn't have been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    No. Most states have that "if you are a resident" , in order to carry you MUST have a license from that state. Period.


    My comment that it is dumb about the "insufficient check" is, it's dumb to have in the law to list off everything in your friggin lifetime, misdeamors, etc..... that may be there, if it's not really (1) a disqualifier for a license , and (2) totally irrevelant to carrying a weapon. Who cares how many traffic tickets you've had, or if you shoplifted when you were 15 yrs old, or wrote an insufficient check some 25 years ago. I see that as nothing more than a "you didn't list it.... gotcha " clause. It's stupid. It's an "excuse" to deny a license for really, no good reason.
    I did a quick search of the Oklahoma Self Defense act and could not find anything requiring residents to possess a permit from Oklahoma...but I did find this.


    http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA...k_NOV_2010.pdf
    "RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT AUTHORITY
    The State of Oklahoma hereby recognizes any valid concealed carry weapons permit or license issued by another
    state.
    Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed carry upon the authority and
    license of another state is authorized to continue to carry a concealed firearm and license in this state; provided the
    license from the other state remains valid. The firearm must be carried fully concealed from detection and view, and
    upon coming in contact with any peace officer of this state, the person must disclose the fact that he or she is in
    possession of a concealed firearm pursuant to a valid concealed carry weapons permit or license issued in another state.
    Any person who is twenty-one (21) years of age or older having a valid firearm license from another state may apply for
    a concealed handgun license in this state immediately upon establishing a residence in this state.".

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    Yes, Oklahoma is strict on permits, list of ARRESTS, not convictions is required for your application. My application listed a couple of hunting violations back in the mid 80's and an arrest in Arkansas on falsified charges, of which I was found not guilty. I think those are why my permit took the full 3 months to clear.
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    First of all, the OK app asks for a lot of info I haven't seen other states ask about.

    Second, the AZ permit is accepted in OK. How will AZ know a person has been denied in OK? The AZ app does not ask about actual arrest record, only convictions.

    It is an easy application process. Show them proof of training, pass the FBI check and they'll issue a license. You do not need to be a resident and can do it all by mail.

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