Applebees in Ohio posting no guns! Need your activism ASAP

[pleasantguywhopacks]

Here is a list of the Applebees (Thomas and King) franchises in Ohio, Kentucky and Pennsylvania

Note: Thomas and King also have lots of Applebees in Arizona. I can provide that list on request.

Side Note: Thomas and King also have Corino's restaurants in Indiana.

Cincinnati Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s
201
FLORENCE
7383 Turfway Road
Florence, KY 41042
Boone County
859-371-4141

203 *2
BLUE ASH
10635 Techwood Circle
Blue Ash, OH 45242
Hamilton County
513-769-6201

204**
GOVERNOR'S POINTE
9660 Mason-Montgomery Rd.
Mason, OH 45040
Warren County
513-336-9943

205 *2
WESTERN HILLS
5050 Crookshank
Cincinnati, OH 45238
Hamilton County
513-451-3015

206 *1
EASTGATE
4440 Glen-Este Withamsville Rd.
Cincinnati, OH 45245
Clermont County
513-752-0700

207*
CRESTVIEW HILLS
30 Crestview Hills Mall Rd.
Crestview Hills, KY 41017
Kenton County
859-341-6708

208*
HAMILTON
700 Washington Blvd. N.W.
Hamilton, OH 45013
Butler County
513-868-9400

209 *R
NORTHGATE
Northgate Mall
9595 Colerain Ave.
Cincinnati, OH 45251
513-385-0400 Hamilton Co.

210*
MIDDLETOWN
3240 Towne Blvd.
Middletown, OH 45044
Warren County
513-727-0058

212***
MILFORD
5980 Meijer Drive
Milford, OH 45150
Clermont County
513-965-8240

213****
BRENTWOOD
8565 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
Hamilton County
513-729-2400

214****
UNION CENTRE
6084 Mulhauser Road
West Chester, OH 45069
Butler County
513-942-4074

215****
HIGHLAND HEIGHTS
2810 Alexandrea Pike
Highland Heights, KY 41076
Campbell County
859-781-2805

216****
FAIRFIELD
5331 Pleasant Avenue
Fairfield, OH 45014
Butler County
513-939-1790

217****
BEECHMONT
7920 Beechmont Avenue
Cincinnati, OH 45255
Hamilton County
513-474-6605

218*****
MAYSVILLE
175 Wal-Mart Way
Maysville, KY 41056
Mason County
606-759-0620)
Opened 9/5/05

219*****
INDIAN SPRINGS
3169 Princeton Road
Hamilton, OH 45011
Butler County
513-868-7888

Dayton Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s

301 *2
DAYTON
105 N. Springboro Pike
West Carrollton, OH 45449
Montgomery County
937-436-3222

303*
HUBER HEIGHTS
8331 Old Troy Pike
Huber Heights, OH 45424
Montgomery County
937-233-9973

304*
SPRINGFIELD
1800 West First Street
Springfield, OH 45504
Clark County
937-322-6700


305*
RICHMOND, IN
4425 National Road East
Richmond, IN 47374
Wayne County
765-935-3940

306*
TROY, OH
1759 West Main Street
Troy, OH 45373
Miami County
937-335-1550

307***
WILMINGTON PIKE
6242 Wilmington Pike
Dayton, OH 45459
Greene County
937-848-6177

308***
KETTERING
1450 West Dorothy Lane
Kettering, OH 45409
Montgomery County
937-296-4330

309***
SPRINGBORO
881 West Central Avenue
Springboro, OH 45066
Warren County
937-743-9420

310****
SIDNEY
221 Vandemark Road
Sidney, OH 45365
Shelby County
937-498-1833

311*****
WOODMAN & DOROTHY
1795 Delco Park Drive
Kettering, OH 45420
Montgomery County
937-643-0698

312*****
XENIA
1991 Harner Drive
Xenia, OH 45385
Greene County
937-372-2600

Columbus Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s

401 *2
BRICE ROAD
2755 Brice Road
Reynoldsburg, OH 43068
Franklin County
614-755-9999

402 *2
SAWMILL ROAD
6669 Dublin Center Drive
Dublin, OH 43017
Franklin County
614-791-8880

403 *2
HEATH
967 Hebron Road
Heath, OH 43056
Licking County
740-522-1570

404 *1
EAST BROAD
4600 East Broad Street
Whitehall, OH 43213
Franklin County
614-863-9700

405*
UNIVERSITY CITY
480 Ackerman Road
Columbus, OH 43202
Franklin County
614-268-1220

406*
LANCASTER, OH
1615 River Valley Circle North
Lancaster, OH 43130
Fairfield County
740-681-1594

407*
MORSE ROAD
3894 Morse Road
Columbus, OH 43219
Franklin County
614-337-8230

408*
MARION, OH
1514 Mt. Vernon Ave.
Marion, OH 43302
Marion County
740-389-2305

409**
HILLIARD ROME
5561 Westchester Woods Blvd.
Hilliard, OH 43026
Franklin County
614-527-9670

410****
POLARIS
1161 Polaris Parkway
Columbus, OH 43240
Delaware County
614-840-9092

411****
GEORGESVILLE ROAD
1590 Georgesville Square Rd.
Columbus, OH 43228
Franklin County
614-851-4100

412****
GROVE CITY
2020 Stringtown Road
Grove City, OH 43123
Franklin County
614-801-1100

413****
CHILLICOTHE, OH
820 North Bridge Street
Chillicothe, OH 45601
Ross County
740-702-7753

414****
SAWMILL & POWELL
9762 Sawmill Parkway
Powell, OH 43065
Delaware County
614-734-1106

415*****
MARYSVILLE
1099 Delaware Avenue
Marysville, OH 43040
Union County
937-642-2352

416*****
GRACELAND
5037 North High Street
Columbus, OH 43214
Franklin County
614-848-0394

Youngstown Area Stores
701
Niles, OH
904 Great East Plaza
Niles, OH 44446
330-544-0780

702
Hermitage
201 South Hermitage Road
Hermitage, PA 16148
724-342-3979

703
Boardman
6691 South Avenue
Boardman, OH 44512
330-965-0460

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[ksholder]

Well, my Applebee's is on the list. True to form, they were as slow in posting the sign (it went up since lunch yesterday) as they are in serving food. I have sent a response to Applebee's providing them with the particulars they were interested in in thier reply to me. We shall see where this goes.

[Flasher]

I weighed in on this one - here's what I sent:

I was very disappointed to find out that Apple American franchises in Ohio are posting "No Firearms Allowed" signs. I understand that Corporate Policy is to follow State Law; which in the case of Ohio is to allow concealed carry as long as the person carrying is not drinking or under the influence. I don't understand why the franchises in Ohio are attempting to repeal citizens' rights. Until this issue is resolved by the removal of these signs and restrictions, neither I nor any of my family will patronize any Applebee's establishments. We will vote with our wallets.

Not sure if it will cause them to change anything, but FWIW, there it is.

I understand all of the previous regarding property rights (and agree with them), CYA, litigation and the like. I see it as basically letting them know that if this is what they choose to do, then I will choose to eat elsewhere.

Do anyone really think that posting a sign is going to stop someone with an axe to grind?

[ksholder]

OK, this is going to be long - sorry. I responded to the response I got from Applebee's Corporate yesterday (post 103). In reply to my response, I received a note from Applebee's Corporate that the franchisee would be contacting me.

Short version - While Applebee's Corporate appears to have a reasonable policy, the franchisee refuses to adopt it. I have informed them that I will seek other solutions for my dining needs and that I am a member of a rather large forum (this one) and would inform the group of what I learned. See below for the details.

Here is thier communique.

Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for your response and feedback regarding our restaurants in Ohio. Our Franchise policy is that we do not allow firearms on the premises, with the exception of law enforcement personnel. Our company did take the time to review our policy and we have decided to maintain our existing policy with respect to firearms in all states in which we operate. We find that maintaining consistent policies makes it easier for us to focus on providing great food and service.
Thank you again for your input; your opinion is greatly valued. We hope that you will continue to give us the opportunity to serve you.

Sincerely,

Becky Hellman
Guest and Employee Relations Assistant
Thomas & King, Inc. | 249 East Main Street | Lexington, KY 40507
859.254.2180 Ext. 137 | F: 859.233.8944


I responded back to both the franchisee and Applebee's corporate as follows:

Dear Applebee’s:

Below [it was below in the original, it is above here] is the response you informed my could be on the way. I appreciate the response and timely nature of the response. While I understand the position of your franchisee, it will have an adverse impact not only on the particular franchisee, but on all franchise and company-owned Applebee’s stores for the following reasons.

A. I will take my business to other restaurants where I am welcome as is. As a licensed concealed carrier, I am among the most responsible members of our society.

B. I am a member of an on-line forum, www.defensivecarry.com “DC”, that has many tens of thousands of members. I have heard that we have as many as 40,000 members. This topic has become a discussion item on the forum and, while I suspect you will not really notice the loss of my business, the combine impact of our group taking our business elsewhere may be a different matter. Surely not all members of this group will eschew Applebee’s over this issue, but a good many have expressed their decision to so do.

C. Many members of DC are also members of other fora and state firearm owners groups. This topic has cross-pollinated to several other fora. While most concealed carriers don’t have a problem with your food and a good many have enjoyed Applebee’s products in the past, many are taking a principled stance in this issue. Again, we are a law-abiding crowd and we understand that you have the right to post your restaurants as you see fit. We also understand that we have options and do not have to support establishments that prefer to be unarmed – at least from legally carried weapons.

I certainly hope that your policy works for you and that you don’t have a Luby’s incident. That was a horrible, but largely preventable event the magnitude of which was fostered by a “no weapons” policy. The only armed person in Luby’s that day was the perpetrator and Luby’s policy resulted in excessive loss of life. It is because of events like this that many states have passed concealed carry laws into place to allow their citizens to defend themselves. Understand that by putting up a no guns sign, you are only disarming the law-abiding portion of your patrons. Criminals will do as they please and walk in right past such signs.

Again, I realize you have the right to post your restaurants, but expect that people who have a security-focused outlook will dine elsewhere. If you change your policy, or more to the point, get this franchisee to follow the corporate policy you informed me of yesterday, please let me know and I will be happy to return as an Applebee’s customer and let the folks at DC know of your change as well.

Sincerely,

Following is my initial response sent to Applebee's corporate today.

Dear Kaylan B:

The Applebee’s at [location] has a sign posted between the outside door and the inner door informing all that persons with firearms, even if they have a permit from the state allowing for concealed carry of said firearm, are not allowed to come into the store without first disarming. As I am sure you are aware, the law in Ohio is that, barring a posting such as the one in place at the restaurant in question, persons licensed to carry a concealed weapon are allowed to do so in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they do not imbibe and are not under the influence of alcohol or other substances. I am not aware of any specific instances that have occurred at this restaurant other than when I see such a sign, I find an alternative place to spend my dining dollars.

There are several restaurants in the near vicinity of this Applebee’s that are not posted. Its most direct competitor in the local area is a Buffalo Wings & Rings which is about 300 yards away. It is not posted.

As you noted below, the laws apply equally to all establishments. This Applebee’s is handicapping itself by using a provision in the law that allows it to eliminate legally carried firearms from its establishment. I understand that posting the restaurant is not illegal, but the consequence of this action is that persons who care about their safety will seek other restaurants to satisfy their hunger.

As I stated in my prior e-mail, I will avoid all Applebee’s until this situation is resolved. There are alternatives in almost all circumstances and it is simply not worth my time to have to park the car and scope out the restaurant to see if it is posted then go somewhere else. It is easier to just to somewhere else in the first place.

I appreciate your input.

Sincerely,

[pleasantguywhopacks]

That is T&K's canned robo response.

[smolck]

They can post signs all they want in my state. Means jack poo and carries no weight of law. I don't eat there, and won't. But part of me wants to go in and have a coke while carrying and then write them a letter telling them I did and they can suck it.

And to the OP of this thread, I applaud you for your efforts. I hope the members of this forum who read this choose to show their disgust by not spending their money at this horrible food place. Remember, bad things happen when good men do nothing. Thank you for doing something.

[pleasantguywhopacks]

They can post signs all they want in my state. Means jack poo and carries no weight of law. I don't eat there, and won't. But part of me wants to go in and have a coke while carrying and then write them a letter telling them I did and they can suck it.

And to the OP of this thread, I applaud you for your efforts. I hope the members of this forum who read this choose to show their disgust by not spending their money at this horrible food place. Remember, bad things happen when good men do nothing. Thank you for doing something.

Well, I live this thing called CC. As such I am done with all Applebees. Posted or not. We ate there once a week for the last ten years mostly on a Sunday after church. No more. That's at a minimum 3k a year loss for Applebees. My average bill was $60+tip.

Anyone up for Red Robin?

[noway2]

For what it's worth, we went out to eat this evening and for us that is a fairly rare event. My wife asked where I wanted to go. My very first thought was that you can take Applebees right off the list of options. Instead we chose to patronize a smaller, local non chain place.

[Gforty]

Checked late this afternoon:
Brice Road location in Reynoldsburg, OH IS POSTED.

They have the CPZ sign at eye level in the small area between the inner and outer entrance doors. I doubt if it can be seen just driving thru their lot.

Ruby Tuesday's is within 100 yards, but I had brain fade and forgot to check there.

O'Charley's is a couple miles down the road in Canal Winchester and is NOT posted.

[Hivoltage]

I will check the Newark Applebees tomorrow night if it is raining.

[Flasher]

I got a response to my email to them:


Dear XXXX,



We received your e-mail and have forwarded it to Apple American, our franchisee that owns this location. One of their representatives should be contacting you within the next four business days.

If we may be of further assistance, you can reach us by calling 888-59-APPLE (888-592-7753) between 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, central time.

Sincerely,

Applebee's Guest Relations

I'm anxiously awaiting their reply...

[smolck]

Anyone up for Red Robin?

YUM!

[Richard58]

Just go elsewhere and eat. They are private property. U step on their property, follow what they want just as u want others to do on ur own property.

[pleasantguywhopacks]

Just go elsewhere and eat. They are private property. U step on their property, follow what they want just as u want others to do on ur own property.

Why stand for a policy that is irrational? Yes you can go somewhere else. You can also protest a companies bad policy..That is what make this country great.

[GHFLRLTD]

This issue is the same as the public accommodations discussion involving the Civil Rights Law of 1964. Applebee's is in business to make money, and to do so they must allow anybody who has money and behaves themselves to purchase food and drink. Substitute Black, or Negro, or the lost to history phase - Colored People (as in the NAACP - Nation Association of Colored People) for law-abiding citizens carrying concealed, and you can easily get the picture.

National chains, such as hotels/motels, supported the 1964 law, since it meant that there were national standards for dealing with customers. Local habits did not count.