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    Here is a list of the Applebees (Thomas and King) franchises in Ohio, Kentucky and Pennsylvania

    Note: Thomas and King also have lots of Applebees in Arizona. I can provide that list on request.

    Side Note: Thomas and King also have Corino's restaurants in Indiana.

    Cincinnati Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s
    201
    FLORENCE
    7383 Turfway Road
    Florence, KY 41042
    Boone County
    859-371-4141

    203 *2
    BLUE ASH
    10635 Techwood Circle
    Blue Ash, OH 45242
    Hamilton County
    513-769-6201

    204**
    GOVERNOR'S POINTE
    9660 Mason-Montgomery Rd.
    Mason, OH 45040
    Warren County
    513-336-9943

    205 *2
    WESTERN HILLS
    5050 Crookshank
    Cincinnati, OH 45238
    Hamilton County
    513-451-3015

    206 *1
    EASTGATE
    4440 Glen-Este Withamsville Rd.
    Cincinnati, OH 45245
    Clermont County
    513-752-0700

    207*
    CRESTVIEW HILLS
    30 Crestview Hills Mall Rd.
    Crestview Hills, KY 41017
    Kenton County
    859-341-6708

    208*
    HAMILTON
    700 Washington Blvd. N.W.
    Hamilton, OH 45013
    Butler County
    513-868-9400

    209 *R
    NORTHGATE
    Northgate Mall
    9595 Colerain Ave.
    Cincinnati, OH 45251
    513-385-0400 Hamilton Co.

    210*
    MIDDLETOWN
    3240 Towne Blvd.
    Middletown, OH 45044
    Warren County
    513-727-0058

    212***
    MILFORD
    5980 Meijer Drive
    Milford, OH 45150
    Clermont County
    513-965-8240

    213****
    BRENTWOOD
    8565 Winton Road
    Cincinnati, OH 45231
    Hamilton County
    513-729-2400

    214****
    UNION CENTRE
    6084 Mulhauser Road
    West Chester, OH 45069
    Butler County
    513-942-4074

    215****
    HIGHLAND HEIGHTS
    2810 Alexandrea Pike
    Highland Heights, KY 41076
    Campbell County
    859-781-2805

    216****
    FAIRFIELD
    5331 Pleasant Avenue
    Fairfield, OH 45014
    Butler County
    513-939-1790

    217****
    BEECHMONT
    7920 Beechmont Avenue
    Cincinnati, OH 45255
    Hamilton County
    513-474-6605

    218*****
    MAYSVILLE
    175 Wal-Mart Way
    Maysville, KY 41056
    Mason County
    606-759-0620)
    Opened 9/5/05

    219*****
    INDIAN SPRINGS
    3169 Princeton Road
    Hamilton, OH 45011
    Butler County
    513-868-7888

    Dayton Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s

    301 *2
    DAYTON
    105 N. Springboro Pike
    West Carrollton, OH 45449
    Montgomery County
    937-436-3222

    303*
    HUBER HEIGHTS
    8331 Old Troy Pike
    Huber Heights, OH 45424
    Montgomery County
    937-233-9973

    304*
    SPRINGFIELD
    1800 West First Street
    Springfield, OH 45504
    Clark County
    937-322-6700


    305*
    RICHMOND, IN
    4425 National Road East
    Richmond, IN 47374
    Wayne County
    765-935-3940

    306*
    TROY, OH
    1759 West Main Street
    Troy, OH 45373
    Miami County
    937-335-1550

    307***
    WILMINGTON PIKE
    6242 Wilmington Pike
    Dayton, OH 45459
    Greene County
    937-848-6177

    308***
    KETTERING
    1450 West Dorothy Lane
    Kettering, OH 45409
    Montgomery County
    937-296-4330

    309***
    SPRINGBORO
    881 West Central Avenue
    Springboro, OH 45066
    Warren County
    937-743-9420

    310****
    SIDNEY
    221 Vandemark Road
    Sidney, OH 45365
    Shelby County
    937-498-1833

    311*****
    WOODMAN & DOROTHY
    1795 Delco Park Drive
    Kettering, OH 45420
    Montgomery County
    937-643-0698

    312*****
    XENIA
    1991 Harner Drive
    Xenia, OH 45385
    Greene County
    937-372-2600

    Columbus Metro Area Stores – Applebee’s

    401 *2
    BRICE ROAD
    2755 Brice Road
    Reynoldsburg, OH 43068
    Franklin County
    614-755-9999

    402 *2
    SAWMILL ROAD
    6669 Dublin Center Drive
    Dublin, OH 43017
    Franklin County
    614-791-8880

    403 *2
    HEATH
    967 Hebron Road
    Heath, OH 43056
    Licking County
    740-522-1570

    404 *1
    EAST BROAD
    4600 East Broad Street
    Whitehall, OH 43213
    Franklin County
    614-863-9700

    405*
    UNIVERSITY CITY
    480 Ackerman Road
    Columbus, OH 43202
    Franklin County
    614-268-1220

    406*
    LANCASTER, OH
    1615 River Valley Circle North
    Lancaster, OH 43130
    Fairfield County
    740-681-1594

    407*
    MORSE ROAD
    3894 Morse Road
    Columbus, OH 43219
    Franklin County
    614-337-8230

    408*
    MARION, OH
    1514 Mt. Vernon Ave.
    Marion, OH 43302
    Marion County
    740-389-2305

    409**
    HILLIARD ROME
    5561 Westchester Woods Blvd.
    Hilliard, OH 43026
    Franklin County
    614-527-9670

    410****
    POLARIS
    1161 Polaris Parkway
    Columbus, OH 43240
    Delaware County
    614-840-9092

    411****
    GEORGESVILLE ROAD
    1590 Georgesville Square Rd.
    Columbus, OH 43228
    Franklin County
    614-851-4100

    412****
    GROVE CITY
    2020 Stringtown Road
    Grove City, OH 43123
    Franklin County
    614-801-1100

    413****
    CHILLICOTHE, OH
    820 North Bridge Street
    Chillicothe, OH 45601
    Ross County
    740-702-7753

    414****
    SAWMILL & POWELL
    9762 Sawmill Parkway
    Powell, OH 43065
    Delaware County
    614-734-1106

    415*****
    MARYSVILLE
    1099 Delaware Avenue
    Marysville, OH 43040
    Union County
    937-642-2352

    416*****
    GRACELAND
    5037 North High Street
    Columbus, OH 43214
    Franklin County
    614-848-0394

    Youngstown Area Stores
    701
    Niles, OH
    904 Great East Plaza
    Niles, OH 44446
    330-544-0780

    702
    Hermitage
    201 South Hermitage Road
    Hermitage, PA 16148
    724-342-3979

    703
    Boardman
    6691 South Avenue
    Boardman, OH 44512
    330-965-0460
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    Well, my Applebee's is on the list. True to form, they were as slow in posting the sign (it went up since lunch yesterday) as they are in serving food. I have sent a response to Applebee's providing them with the particulars they were interested in in thier reply to me. We shall see where this goes.
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    I weighed in on this one - here's what I sent:

    I was very disappointed to find out that Apple American franchises in Ohio are posting "No Firearms Allowed" signs. I understand that Corporate Policy is to follow State Law; which in the case of Ohio is to allow concealed carry as long as the person carrying is not drinking or under the influence. I don't understand why the franchises in Ohio are attempting to repeal citizens' rights. Until this issue is resolved by the removal of these signs and restrictions, neither I nor any of my family will patronize any Applebee's establishments. We will vote with our wallets.

    Not sure if it will cause them to change anything, but FWIW, there it is.

    I understand all of the previous regarding property rights (and agree with them), CYA, litigation and the like. I see it as basically letting them know that if this is what they choose to do, then I will choose to eat elsewhere.

    Do anyone really think that posting a sign is going to stop someone with an axe to grind?
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    OK, this is going to be long - sorry. I responded to the response I got from Applebee's Corporate yesterday (post 103). In reply to my response, I received a note from Applebee's Corporate that the franchisee would be contacting me.

    Short version - While Applebee's Corporate appears to have a reasonable policy, the franchisee refuses to adopt it. I have informed them that I will seek other solutions for my dining needs and that I am a member of a rather large forum (this one) and would inform the group of what I learned. See below for the details.

    Here is thier communique.

    Mr. XXXX,

    Thank you for your response and feedback regarding our restaurants in Ohio. Our Franchise policy is that we do not allow firearms on the premises, with the exception of law enforcement personnel. Our company did take the time to review our policy and we have decided to maintain our existing policy with respect to firearms in all states in which we operate. We find that maintaining consistent policies makes it easier for us to focus on providing great food and service.
    Thank you again for your input; your opinion is greatly valued. We hope that you will continue to give us the opportunity to serve you.

    Sincerely,

    Becky Hellman
    Guest and Employee Relations Assistant
    Thomas & King, Inc. | 249 East Main Street | Lexington, KY 40507
    859.254.2180 Ext. 137 | F: 859.233.8944


    I responded back to both the franchisee and Applebee's corporate as follows:

    Dear Applebee’s:

    Below [it was below in the original, it is above here] is the response you informed my could be on the way. I appreciate the response and timely nature of the response. While I understand the position of your franchisee, it will have an adverse impact not only on the particular franchisee, but on all franchise and company-owned Applebee’s stores for the following reasons.

    A. I will take my business to other restaurants where I am welcome as is. As a licensed concealed carrier, I am among the most responsible members of our society.

    B. I am a member of an on-line forum, www.defensivecarry.com “DC”, that has many tens of thousands of members. I have heard that we have as many as 40,000 members. This topic has become a discussion item on the forum and, while I suspect you will not really notice the loss of my business, the combine impact of our group taking our business elsewhere may be a different matter. Surely not all members of this group will eschew Applebee’s over this issue, but a good many have expressed their decision to so do.

    C. Many members of DC are also members of other fora and state firearm owners groups. This topic has cross-pollinated to several other fora. While most concealed carriers don’t have a problem with your food and a good many have enjoyed Applebee’s products in the past, many are taking a principled stance in this issue. Again, we are a law-abiding crowd and we understand that you have the right to post your restaurants as you see fit. We also understand that we have options and do not have to support establishments that prefer to be unarmed – at least from legally carried weapons.

    I certainly hope that your policy works for you and that you don’t have a Luby’s incident. That was a horrible, but largely preventable event the magnitude of which was fostered by a “no weapons” policy. The only armed person in Luby’s that day was the perpetrator and Luby’s policy resulted in excessive loss of life. It is because of events like this that many states have passed concealed carry laws into place to allow their citizens to defend themselves. Understand that by putting up a no guns sign, you are only disarming the law-abiding portion of your patrons. Criminals will do as they please and walk in right past such signs.

    Again, I realize you have the right to post your restaurants, but expect that people who have a security-focused outlook will dine elsewhere. If you change your policy, or more to the point, get this franchisee to follow the corporate policy you informed me of yesterday, please let me know and I will be happy to return as an Applebee’s customer and let the folks at DC know of your change as well.

    Sincerely,

    Following is my initial response sent to Applebee's corporate today.

    Dear Kaylan B:

    The Applebee’s at [location] has a sign posted between the outside door and the inner door informing all that persons with firearms, even if they have a permit from the state allowing for concealed carry of said firearm, are not allowed to come into the store without first disarming. As I am sure you are aware, the law in Ohio is that, barring a posting such as the one in place at the restaurant in question, persons licensed to carry a concealed weapon are allowed to do so in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they do not imbibe and are not under the influence of alcohol or other substances. I am not aware of any specific instances that have occurred at this restaurant other than when I see such a sign, I find an alternative place to spend my dining dollars.

    There are several restaurants in the near vicinity of this Applebee’s that are not posted. Its most direct competitor in the local area is a Buffalo Wings & Rings which is about 300 yards away. It is not posted.

    As you noted below, the laws apply equally to all establishments. This Applebee’s is handicapping itself by using a provision in the law that allows it to eliminate legally carried firearms from its establishment. I understand that posting the restaurant is not illegal, but the consequence of this action is that persons who care about their safety will seek other restaurants to satisfy their hunger.

    As I stated in my prior e-mail, I will avoid all Applebee’s until this situation is resolved. There are alternatives in almost all circumstances and it is simply not worth my time to have to park the car and scope out the restaurant to see if it is posted then go somewhere else. It is easier to just to somewhere else in the first place.

    I appreciate your input.

    Sincerely,
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    That is T&K's canned robo response.
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    They can post signs all they want in my state. Means jack poo and carries no weight of law. I don't eat there, and won't. But part of me wants to go in and have a coke while carrying and then write them a letter telling them I did and they can suck it.

    And to the OP of this thread, I applaud you for your efforts. I hope the members of this forum who read this choose to show their disgust by not spending their money at this horrible food place. Remember, bad things happen when good men do nothing. Thank you for doing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    They can post signs all they want in my state. Means jack poo and carries no weight of law. I don't eat there, and won't. But part of me wants to go in and have a coke while carrying and then write them a letter telling them I did and they can suck it.

    And to the OP of this thread, I applaud you for your efforts. I hope the members of this forum who read this choose to show their disgust by not spending their money at this horrible food place. Remember, bad things happen when good men do nothing. Thank you for doing something.
    Well, I live this thing called CC. As such I am done with all Applebees. Posted or not. We ate there once a week for the last ten years mostly on a Sunday after church. No more. That's at a minimum 3k a year loss for Applebees. My average bill was $60+tip.

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    For what it's worth, we went out to eat this evening and for us that is a fairly rare event. My wife asked where I wanted to go. My very first thought was that you can take Applebees right off the list of options. Instead we chose to patronize a smaller, local non chain place.

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    Checked late this afternoon:
    Brice Road location in Reynoldsburg, OH IS POSTED.

    They have the CPZ sign at eye level in the small area between the inner and outer entrance doors. I doubt if it can be seen just driving thru their lot.

    Ruby Tuesday's is within 100 yards, but I had brain fade and forgot to check there.

    O'Charley's is a couple miles down the road in Canal Winchester and is NOT posted.

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    I will check the Newark Applebees tomorrow night if it is raining.
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    I got a response to my email to them:


    Dear XXXX,



    We received your e-mail and have forwarded it to Apple American, our franchisee that owns this location. One of their representatives should be contacting you within the next four business days.

    If we may be of further assistance, you can reach us by calling 888-59-APPLE (888-592-7753) between 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, central time.

    Sincerely,

    Applebee's Guest Relations

    I'm anxiously awaiting their reply...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    Anyone up for Red Robin?
    YUM!

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    Just go elsewhere and eat. They are private property. U step on their property, follow what they want just as u want others to do on ur own property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    Just go elsewhere and eat. They are private property. U step on their property, follow what they want just as u want others to do on ur own property.
    Why stand for a policy that is irrational? Yes you can go somewhere else. You can also protest a companies bad policy..That is what make this country great.
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    History Revisited

    This issue is the same as the public accommodations discussion involving the Civil Rights Law of 1964. Applebee's is in business to make money, and to do so they must allow anybody who has money and behaves themselves to purchase food and drink. Substitute Black, or Negro, or the lost to history phase - Colored People (as in the NAACP - Nation Association of Colored People) for law-abiding citizens carrying concealed, and you can easily get the picture.

    National chains, such as hotels/motels, supported the 1964 law, since it meant that there were national standards for dealing with customers. Local habits did not count.
    George H. Foster
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