This is a discussion on Pro-carry, anti-carry question.. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by nepatternmak In my experience, people are basically bad and only curb that ability to do bad things when taught extensively about self ...
Most people do not understand that you have a right to defend yourself and you have the obligation to defend felloow citizens when a wrong is being committed. Take this inccident in Fullerton, CA where this homeless man, Kelly Thomas i think his name was, where 6 police officers tazed him god knows how many times and beat him so bad he died a few days later. There were multiple by standards that just watched in horror, they did not know what to do. who were they going to call, the cops? Everyone of these people had an obligation to stop this from happening but did nothing because they were cops and they had guns.
If the situation, as with most situations involving crime, commited by thugs, petty crooks or police, (not all cops are bad, there are a few out there) If the majority of the citizens throughout the country carried a gun on their hip and knew how and when to use it alot of these situations would never occur to begin with. Think about it, if you wre a cop would you do your job totally by the book if yoiu knew for a fact everyone around was making sure you did.
I do not feel threatened at all when i a speaking with some one on the street that i know has a gun, it just does not bother me. When someone is open carrying they are showing they are responsible, law abiding citizens vs the guy walking around with a MAC10 under his coat. I do not have a CCW. they are impossble to get in CA unless you are in law enforcement. and even at that its even harder now. Thank Jerry Brown. I am a bid supporter of open carry.
All you can do is educate people to the best of your ability, aske them why they are not afraid of police officers which carry a loaded pistol on there hip. Police officers have ``training on their guns'' most people that carry have ``training'', All vets have more training than cops, if a cop is not a vet of course. Just know the laws. f you are told you cannot enter a store because you are carrying concieled dont tell them you are carrying, you are not requiered to, you have a license to do so.
If you are ever witness to an incident like this, do not freaking pull your gun and try to stop the cops, you will go down. How do you know their situation? And how do you know what force is necessary?
Soldiers are trained more than cops? They have different jobs! Cops are there to enforce laws, and they are trained to do so. Why would they get a military standard of combat training.
And don't carry somewhere you are told you are not allowed, you said yourself you do not have a permit!
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
Indeed, "just know the laws." Start soon...
It could be worse!
They really are very difficult to understand or get through to. it usually takes their violent victimization to get them to realize the error of their beliefs, as others have pointed out. Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there is rarely an anti-gun type who remains an anti-gun type after being the victim of violent crime.
Then, also, there is the anti-gun elitist who feels that no one BUT them is competent to own or use a gun. Jane Fonda being a prime example of this. She railed against handguns and then it was discovered she owns one and I believe a quote was attributed to her when asked why she was anti-gun but owned one that went something like "That's for other people, not me." The typical anti-gun type and/or Liberal's (often one and the same) hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Last edited by TN_Mike; November 18th, 2011 at 01:26 AM.
I am reminded of when I was a child. Most of the time I got along with the neighborhood, but like all kids sometimes we had our fights. My parents' only response to how to avoid or prevent these occurrences was to, "leave them alone", meaning the other kids. I never fully understood their 'logic' and don't to this day, but this would be their answer even when I would be in my own yard and get antagonized. I suspect that this same mentality carries over to how they perceive they should deal with an aggressor today.
As I mentioned, my parents are quite anti. Next week, the week of Thanksgiving, they will be coming for a visit. We have already told them that we are going to take them to the shooting range and introduce them to "our hobby". I am really curious to see what my mother's reaction is. Will it be shoot it once and say "I don't like that" or will it be the typical, "hey that was kinda cool". What they don't know is that we have handguns in the house and my wife keeps one near her almost all of the time (no children around to worry about). We've already anticipated a litany of "it makes me nervous" responses from them. It will be interesting.
I ask you, do you think these officers had a right to do this or ever have the right to do this? I have seen 2 police officers take down a suspect alot larger and more hostile than this man w/o incident. Who polices the police I ask you again? If the citizens they are sworn to protect should not do anything but stand around and turn the other cheek and go on about their buisness what is to stop officers like this from murdering whom ever they see fit without consiquence? A citizen does have the right to make a citzens arrest on a police officers and cops are not above the law which we all adhere to. So yes, in this situation i think if all citizens were armed and openly carried this situation and thers very similar to it would not happen. It is one thing when a suspect is armed and resistng arrest, the police need to control the situation and get the person into custody. it is another when something of this magnitude is happening right under your nose.
Situtations like this is also why people are so hesitent to call the police in some places. see for youself.
Kelly Thomas: Police beat and taser 'gentle' mentally-ill homeless man to death | Mail Online
Police Beat Homeless Fullerton Man Kelly Thomas To Death