August 12th, 2006 10:27 AM
Interesting newspaper writeup:
Information or 'anti' slant ?
S.D. Allows Bikers to Carry Weapons
By JOE KAFKA
PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - A recent shooting spree between motorcycle gangs in Custer State Park has authorities on edge as they patrol the often heavily armed bikers who carry their weapons legally.
"We're all kind of nervous," said Capt. Kevin Joffer, district commander of the Highway Patrol at Sioux Falls. "You wonder if maybe something else will come out of this, which potentially could happen."
South Dakota law allows people with permits to carry concealed weapons nearly everywhere except bars, courthouses and the Capitol. Violators face up to one year in jail and $2,000 fines.
Motorcycle gang members carrying concealed handguns are stopped daily during the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, which draws throngs of bikers and others to the Black Hills each August, Joffer said.
Nearly all those stopped have the necessary permits that allow them to carry hidden handguns, he added.
Statistics so far during rally week, which began Monday, seem to bear that out. Although several hundred thousand bikers have converged on Sturgis, just 11 people have been arrested for concealed weapons violations, said Capt. Randy Hartley, Highway Patrol district commander at Rapid City.
Authorities have arrested two men affiliated with the Hells Angels for opening fire on several Outlaws at Legion Lake Resort on Tuesday. Five Outlaws were struck by bullets and one of them suffered an undisclosed injury.
Authorities said they would not be surprised by retaliation.
Joffer said a state trooper stopped 10 or so Outlaws motorcycle gang members Thursday night on Interstate 90 near Plankinton because of traffic violations. Backup officers were called only because of the large number of vehicles that were stopped, he said.
"One of my sergeants discovered very early on that they were heavily armed, which means probably everybody was armed. There were no problems. They were all polite to him. He did call for some additional backup just to have there because he had multiple people stopped."
Joffer said some of the Outlaws were given traffic tickets, but all of the bikers had permits to carry concealed weapons and they were allowed to continue their trip to Sturgis.
Those who carry hidden handguns must have their permits in possession.
People do not need permits to carry concealed weapons on their own property or property they rent.
In exchange for the same consideration, South Dakota honors concealed weapons permits with 16 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.
August 12th, 2006 10:48 AM
So what does the fact that they all had permits have to do with the price of fish in China? DC has shootings all the time and there's no permits.
August 12th, 2006 10:51 AM
I've read and re-read it several times.
Still trying to figure out the slant that the writer intends ?
The title could be anti-gun, but the story tells it pretty factual: tells what happened, LE's point of view and concerns, and explains the right to carry law.
Since the big rally in Sturgis was the reference point, maybe it's more anti biker than anti gun... or both ?
August 12th, 2006 01:22 PM
Why is this person writing articles...Ive seen Jr. High kids do better at getting a point across (any point).
August 12th, 2006 02:57 PM
I think the writer intends to just relate facts and a story about Sturgis. He was probably told to go and get a story from the place and this is what developed.
This is why I only read AP news. Most of what they have is unbiased and honest information. "Just the facts" could be a good motto for them, though they do have some dumb@#$!'s that sell their work to them. These guys are actually an EXCELLENT drawing point for open-source intelligence. You just have to be careful with some of the reporters.
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August 12th, 2006 03:23 PM
That is the crappiest writing I have seen in awhile. I can't seem to figure out what the point of the story is. It's almost incoherent. He says LE was nervous about all the guns, then quotes the Capt. as saying they were more worried about stopping multiple vehicles. Very strange...
August 12th, 2006 06:10 PM
maybe it's just an odd thing that someone isn't jumping all over it, maybe the fact that it's just reporting facts is what's fraking me out...
August 12th, 2006 08:44 PM
Maybe that's because so many news stories are so slanted these days. This news story seems neutral.
I can't seem to figure out what the point of the story is.
August 13th, 2006 04:37 PM
It does seem to be pretty neutral, which, IMO, is a good thing.
Did notice this:
So, the other 4 weren't hurt, even after having been shot?
Five Outlaws were struck by bullets and one of them suffered an undisclosed injury.
August 13th, 2006 04:41 PM
THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IN THE WORLD IS BETWEEN A MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN.
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August 13th, 2006 05:34 PM
He writes a lot of articles about South Dakota
He writes a lot of articles about South Dakota. His stuff is in the Rapid City Journal often. Tried to find a email address, without any luck. Wanted to let him know that the states that issued their permits let bikers carry guns too.
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