Church Carry

Church Carry

This is a discussion on Church Carry within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Hey everyone, I have asked a few questions so far and really appreciate all of the input and feedback. Good stuff!! Anyways, I have another ...

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    Hey everyone,
    I have asked a few questions so far and really appreciate all of the input and feedback. Good stuff!!

    Anyways, I have another one for you... What about carrying at church?? I was trying to find the Nebraska law that covers church carry and am failing miserably. I thought when I went through the CCW class that they said you had to inform them of it. I guess I am mainly asking if it is legal to carry in a church setting?? And if it is, do I have to do anything special? Or can I just got about my daily business and keep it quite.

    Thanks everyone!
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    I've never seen a law that expressly forbid carrying in a place of worship. Some states give signage the "weight of law". Not sure about Nebraska and I assume that you would have mentioned any such sign if your church had one.

    My Grandfather was a Pastor and he knew of several members of the congregation who carried at church. He had no problem with it and in fact, he actively encouraged it.

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    According to this summation, you (a resident of Nebraska) aren't allowed to carry in a church;

    A CHP holder may not carry a concealed handgun in any of the following places:

    Police, sheriff, or State Patrol station or office
    Detention facility, prison, or jail
    Courtrooms and buildings containing courtrooms
    Polling place during a bona fide election
    Meeting of the Legislature or committee of the Legislature
    Financial institution (Bank)
    Professional, semi-professional, or collegiate athletic event
    School, school grounds, or school-owned vehicle, and at any school-sponsored activity or athletic event
    Place of worship
    Emergency room or trauma center
    Political rally or fundraiser
    An establishment with a liquor license deriving more than half its income from the sale of alcohol (bar)
    Any place where possession is prohibited under State or Federal law
    Any place where the owner or person in control of the place has prohibited the possession of permitted handguns and has posted conspicuous notice of the prohibition, or has directly and specifically requested that the permit holder remove any firearms from the premises. A permit holder may bring a permitted handgun onto such prohibiting premises in a vehicle, so long as the firearm remains in the vehicle.What Are the Gun Laws in Nebraska? Page 2

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    You still may need to look deeper into your laws to find more about specifics. In KY, for example, you aren't allowed to carry in a Post Office but its not the same penalty, if you do, than it is if you carry in a school. I'm not encouraging you to violate the law, I'm just saying that with some states, the penalties aren't always the same...not that you should be violating them, etc.

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    Per the state patrol official web site at Concealed FAQ
    What is meant by the term “place of worship” on the list of prohibited places?

    Although it was not defined in the statute, the floor debate in the Legislature indicates that the term “place of worship” is to be broadly construed to include a church, synagogue, mosque or other primary place of worship and is also intended to include classrooms, social halls, reading rooms, fellowship rooms, atriums, libraries, bride’s rooms, music rooms, parish hall, and other buildings on the campus of a church complex. Under certain circumstances, places of worship may authorize security guards to carry concealed handguns (see section 018 in the regulations or section 69-2441 in the statutes).

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    I can carry at church, and do so. We can also carry in banks. No to Post Office (Federal), Police Stations, Courts, Jails, Schools, Casino's, State & Federal buildings.
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    Can't carry in a Texas church at any time or in any manner. That's why it's always advised to check particular state laws in advance of visiting or passing through it even though there's a reciprocal agreement.
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    Thanks everyone. I appreciate the information. That is sad news :\. Oh well! Thanks again.

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    Here's your answer:

    Remember Handgunlaw.us is a great resource for many of these questions. I have it bookmarked on all of my computers.

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    (c) A place of worship may authorize its security personnel to carry concealed handguns on its property so long as each member of the security personnel, as authorized, is in compliance with the Concealed Handgun Permit Act and possesses a permit to carry a concealed handgun issued pursuant to the act and written notice is given to the congregation and, if the property is leased, the carrying of concealed handguns on the property does not violate the terms of any real property lease agreement between the place of worship and the lessor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Here's your answer:

    Remember Handgunlaw.us is a great resource for many of these questions. I have it bookmarked on all of my computers.

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    So start a security team with the Church's blessing.

    In Florida we can carry in churches and I do. I spoke with the Elders about putting a security team together and it is now one of my responsibilities. The first Sunday in November will mark our 1st anniversary and I can point out lost of little incidents that we have dealt with over the last year. I can't count the number of "thanks" we have gotten from members for what we do.

    If you are interested in starting one then PM me and I have lots of information and links that I can share to justify a security team.
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    Or just wait for some one to offend those in the law making body like they did in Kansas; when some communities tried to ban CC in parks. It was after that the lawmakers removed all/most of the places in the law that were automatic no carry and made most of them No carry only if posted; therefore churches now have to be posted or you can carry; I do most Sundays (yes my pastor knows but I did not have to tell). I think that all the place in the law must now post but not sure in that LEO offices were on the list as were schools (though all schools where I live are now posted) court houses (You know the local County Court house is not posted correctly though they do have a sign about they can search you for weapons?!?)

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    good and interesting..:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglebeak View Post
    Can't carry in a Texas church at any time or in any manner. That's why it's always advised to check particular state laws in advance of visiting or passing through it even though there's a reciprocal agreement.
    Actually, the law changed in 2007. The phrasing is still there about not carrying in churches, hospitals and nursing homes, but it's clarified later to state the have to post a 30.06 sign like other businesses.

    PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
    HOLDER.
    (b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
    knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
    of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
    whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
    person:
    (6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established
    place of religious worship.

    (i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
    was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglebeak View Post
    Can't carry in a Texas church at any time or in any manner. That's why it's always advised to check particular state laws in advance of visiting or passing through it even though there's a reciprocal agreement.
    That is not true. The law was changed a couple of years ago in Texas and now it is legal to carry in a church as long as it does not have a 30.06 sign posted. However, this is a difficult thing because there are so many old documents out there on the internet and searching google for "Texas CHL church" will bring up tons of old documents that are from many years ago that are no longer valid. I carry my gun to church and my church does not have a 30.06 sign.

    EDIT - Looks like ws76133 beat me to it.. I went to verify the law before posting that just so I didn't stick my foot in my mouth. By the time I hit save, he had already responded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DefConGun View Post
    You still may need to look deeper into your laws to find more about specifics. In KY, for example, you aren't allowed to carry in a Post Office but its not the same penalty, if you do, than it is if you carry in a school. I'm not encouraging you to violate the law, I'm just saying that with some states, the penalties aren't always the same...not that you should be violating them, etc.
    You aren't allow to carry in a Post Office in ANY state. It is a federal facility.

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