This is a discussion on Wisconsin CCW Permit Time...Keep us posted! within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by jerp Update! Sent: Nov. 3, 06:30 from west allis post office Recieved by WIDOJ: Nov. 7 Check cashed: Nov. 15. Permit recieved:??????? ...
Are there good and bad law enforcement officer, of course there is and always have been. I would venture to say there are more good ones. Unfortunately as with many other laws this part of the law really ends up in "our court" because if we don't inform them immediately some officer will "go off" on us believing we tried to 'hide" something. Then as someone stated we may up paying an attorney to show the law was on our side. It is a shame that it has gotten to the point where we obey the law, in certain situations, it can turn into "The Nightmare From Hell".
Maybe the issue lies in the law enforcement departments is not having a policy on what officers should do in stop situations. I believe many problems could be solved if the officers were required by there rules to ask if one has a permit the same as asking for the drivers license. If I were an officer it would be my policy to ask in order to get that out of the way immediately. Last week I asked a West Allis officer if there was a department policy and he told me no. He said personally he is always ready when he does stops.
As to the video on the 'rouge' officer the following link has more data on that situation. There was suppose to be a postponed from September 7th disciplinary hearing on the officer December 1. No data on outcome or whether it even took place. I do believe the permit holder attempted to inform the officer but the officer interrupted him before he could could get it out. Also as the video clear shows the driver (permit holder) was never approached until 5 minutes after the stop.
Canton PD Notification Arrest & Officer Conduct
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation."
--Thomas B. Reed, American Attorney
Second Amendment -- Established December 15, 1791 and slowly eroded ever since What happened to "..... shall not be infringed."
I will once again urge caution . The point of view you take and the one they take will only have one thing in common. That will be the point where you calmly except what they say and walk away. or they show you who the power is.
There is no one in government the thinks for a minute they own you anything.
You do not have to be a threat all they have to do is perceive you to be one you lose.
Ask your question quietly a politely if you can not except what they give you. Walk away and contact your representative let them talk for you.
vista461, No no one is cop hating.
jerp, Don't drive to Madison, calmly wait, practice the demeanor your going to need. This could have been done on 11/01/11 @ 08:00am, now is not the time. Just Wait!
My WI. CCW Permit Statistics
Applied & Hand delivered to DOJ: 11/01/2011
Check # 4548 Cleared: .............. 11/07/2011
Permit #39 received via USPS: .... 11/02/2011
I will probably take a little heat for this but here is one mans opinion on the cop hateing issue. The answer to this correctly stated coke versus pepsi delema is.... penis envy.... I have officers in my family, also have some friends that are officers. There are realy only 2 reasons why one would take any job of athority. Reason #1, You want to make a differance in your comunity, you want to help, you want to SERVE AND PROTECT. These are the officers who have earned our respect, these guys are the good guys, They will be there to protect you and your family, risking personal injury or even death. These guys are AWSOME! And it is unfortunate that because of the officers who became cops for reason #2, these great examples of leadership and athority have soiled reputations. Reason #2, Penis envy, these are the guys who were a little off or goofy in high school, we picked on them in the locker room, we made them cry, they regularly said things that got themselfs beat up, these guys went on to positions of power, they have craved it, they have never had it, it is a driveing lust in there charicter. These guys became Bad cops, your mean boss, and many others, they are usually wearing suits or uniforms. Not all suits and uniforms are bad, just the ones we created by beating them down. So on the verry rair ocasion I encounter a bad cop, a try to imagine how I would act if I also had a small penis. And I also make absolutly sure not to group every officer of the law in that catigory because of a TINY minority (pardon the pun) LOL. Now I know this example is crude at best, but it is hard to deny the truth hidden in these words. We truly do reap what we sow. I would also like to add, if a good cop isnt getting the respect he deserves, the culperate probably suffers from the most extreme case of penis envy.
I do not hate the cops! I resent the fact someone would insinuate that! I respect the uniform and what it represents. Cops are no different than any other person or occupation. I do not place them on a alter nor do I worship them. You have good doctors and bad, good teachers and bad etc. That cop freely chose his career path no one forced him. Sadly the cop in the video was as bad as they come! What is more disturbing is that this cop has had similar encounters! My question is why didn't any one on the force report him as a loose cannon? Is there any truth to that code of silence? Why has he not been evaluated by proper mental health professionals? Oh sure now he will be, but the deeds are done. The Law up here was crafted cleverly to protect the permit holders rights. I also strongly believe it would be wise to inform any LEO during any motor vehicle stop by handing your Drivers license & permit at the same time. If asked answer honestly and keep it as professional as possible the least amount of interaction will serve you best.
If they called in your plate wouldn't the dispatcher know and let the officer know as well that the driver has a CCW Permit?