Wisconsin CCW Permit Time...Keep us posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divega View Post
    And that's over and above what we are already paying in taxes towards salaries & benefits.
    Just wait. Bet they will want a special tax on handgun sales to cover the added costs at the DOJ.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    Lets see: 65,000 applications @ $50 each = $3,250,000.00 and they are whining about $30,000 in overtime?
    I wonder if the state employees union has anything to say about all this overtime these employees are being asked/forced to work??? Oh yeah, that's right...they don't have a say anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleShtr View Post
    I wonder if the state employees union has anything to say about all this overtime these employees are being asked/forced to work??? Oh yeah, that's right...they don't have a say anymore!
    Same rules as in private industry. They can ASK you to work ANY hours they wish and fire you with cause if you refuse. Float this question by those that are unemployed, see if there is any sympathy there as well.
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    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    No love lost for Madison here. Bit of a defense for them. A new program new job for people to do, production does suffer.
    If yo Go with permit 38,000 in 40 working days that comes to 950 a day if they had 15 people working on it that would be around 63 a day.
    8 hour work day is at best 6 production. That is 10-11 a day figure getting the mail opening logging it in checking it all over deciding if what was mailed is correct.
    Around 1 1/2 an hour not setting any records but could be worst.
    I have no way of know how many are working on it so the numbers could very .
    We know they were not ready, that is common in Madison your need for something is no reason for them to hurry.
    30K in over time ok I will mail in 50 cents to cover the over time on mine.
    There we go if we all mail in a buck to the DOJ they can work more over time.
    65k filed that is not many we need to encourage others to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleShtr View Post
    I wonder if the state employees union has anything to say about all this overtime these employees are being asked/forced to work??? Oh yeah, that's right...they don't have a say anymore!
    There are allot of unemployed people that would be more than happy to have job not to mention the OT.

    Walker and a Rep Legislature gave us CCW and a balanced budget both real good things.

    Kudos to the Dems that supported the CCW as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassethound View Post
    I have not found one in Door Co. In Brown Co. the only indoor range I could find information on is not open yet, here is a link: Family Shooting Academy

    If anyone know of others, please let us know.
    Since I've gotten my permit I'd like to go and practice every two weeks about 45 min a pop. This cooler, damp weather ruins it for me with my arthritis! I'm good for about 20 min's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    Just wait. Bet they will want a special tax on handgun sales to cover the added costs at the DOJ.
    Oh I can see it now. The additional revenue generated will be ear marked by some fringe group to promote a gun free W.I.??????????????????

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    day 45

    Quote Originally Posted by alandh View Post
    Well today is offically day 45 for me. Waiting for the doj to personally deliver it to me. Anyone know what the doj delivery van looks like?
    Same here. Give the doj van my address would you please alandh.
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    I just posted a thread with the latest news from madison DOJ explaining that they may not be making the deadlines. interesting read to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjb65 View Post
    Same here. Give the doj van my address would you please alandh.
    Havent seen them yet but im sure they are on the way.

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    Hang in there guys and gals it may seem like it will never happen, I thought the same thing then wella it was here. The Holidays did not help as we lost at least a week because of that.

    Arthritis stinks and I feel bad for you Imhave touches of it and at times ........well you know. It is nice with my setup shoot step into the house reload step back out shoot so on and so on.
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    Heck with it Vacation is over tomorrow, think I'll step out back a burn some rounds.

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    Here is a quick link to The Milwaukee Journal Acticle on the Concealed Carry Permit Delay. Crush of applications to delay concealed weapons permits - JSOnline

    The Actual Milwaukee Jorurnal article posts below!

    Madison - Wisconsin residents have overwhelmed the state Justice Department with so many concealed weapon permit applications agency officials say they probably won't meet deadlines for issuing approvals this month despite pulling dozens of employees from other tasks to help.

    A state law that allows Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons went into effect Nov. 1. Under the law, state residents 21 or older who submit $50 to the Justice Department, pass an agency background check and prove they have received some firearms training can obtain a permit to carry. The law requires the agency to process applications received before Nov. 30 within 45 days. Any applications received after that date must be processed within 21 days.

    As of Dec. 28, the Department of Justice had received 64,832 applications, issued 36,373 permits and denied 800, mostly because addresses applicants submitted didn't match their addresses in state Department of Transportation records, department spokeswoman Dana Brueck said.

    Brian O'Keefe, Law Enforcement Services Division administrator, said the agency has received anywhere from hundreds to thousands of applications in a single day. He said the agency likely will need one to two extra days beyond the 45- and 21-day windows to get permits processed for several weeks starting in early January.

    "It's been a tremendous task for DOJ to try to keep up," O'Keefe said. "We'll always try to do what the law mandates we do . . . (but) we're going to have a two-week period where we're below the limits."

    The law doesn't impose any sanctions or penalties on the department or guarantee an applicant's approval if the agency fails to meet the deadlines. But people anxious to get their permits could find themselves waiting several days longer.

    Jen Esser, a spokeswoman for Sen. Pam Galloway (R-Wausau), one of the law's chief authors, said the Justice Department hasn't shared any word of the delays with Galloway and declined to comment further. Messages left for the bill's chief sponsor in the Assembly, Rep. Jeff Mursau, R-Crivitz, and his aides weren't returned.

    The concealed carry law authorized $236,700 drawn from application fees for 11 new Department of Justice hires to help process applications, including 10 six-month employees whose jobs will end in March. However, the agency has been operating with only 10 of the new positions; two of the six-month workers left and the agency re-filled only one of the positions. End-of-the-year holidays have slowed processing down, as well. O'Keefe said he's been forced to pull sometimes dozens of other employees a day from their regular tasks to work on applications.

    Most of the workers have come from the agency's administrative arm, including employees from the training and standards bureau, the criminal history division and the records division. They've worked on days off and postponed vacations into next year to devote more time to the applications, O'Keefe said. The department has paid out about $30,000 in overtime on application work between Nov. 4 and Dec. 17, according to the agency's most recent figures, Brueck said.

    The extra work on the applications hasn't directly affected criminal investigations, officials said. No special agents or crime lab specialists have been pulled off cases to help. But O'Keefe said moving so many administrative workers onto the applications has resulted in delays in updating criminal histories and scanning old histories into electronic formats. The agency also has been forced to postpone some training seminars.

    "You start to get a sense of how busy we are right now," he said. "But because of the sheer volume and tight time limits we have to have our employees do this."

    The Legislature's budget committee earlier this month approved a department request to spend $1.5 million from application fees to hire more than two dozen additional employees to help with applications over the next two fiscal years. Eleven six-month employees will start work on Jan. 3 but will need up to a month of training. The remaining 14.5 employees will start in March, after the nine current limited-term positions end.

    Once the first 11 employees are up to speed, department officials plan to move administrative personnel back to their regular tasks full-time. Two workers within the second group of employees will focus on developing an electronic application system that will allow online applications and provide upgraded interfaces with other state and federal agencies, reducing the need for man hours.
    Last edited by AIRWAR; January 2nd, 2012 at 09:32 PM. Reason: added content
    My WI. CCW Permit Statistics
    Applied & Hand delivered to DOJ: 11/01/2011
    Check # 4548 Cleared: .............. 11/07/2011
    Permit #39 received via USPS: .... 11/02/2011

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    I sent in my application on Nov. 28, I will assume that it was received in Madison about Nov. 30, Check was cashed December 8.
    Still waiting.
    Do you suppose I would have had a faster response if I had waited one more day to come under the 21 day mandate or will they honor the "First come first served" statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ES335 View Post
    I sent in my application on Nov. 28, I will assume that it was received in Madison about Nov. 30, Check was cashed December 8.
    Still waiting.
    Do you suppose I would have had a faster response if I had waited one more day to come under the 21 day mandate or will they honor the "First come first served" statement?
    Hard to say with the way the DOJ is handling things.

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