"No Guns Allowed"

This is a discussion on "No Guns Allowed" within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by noway2 Interesting perspective and one that I suspect really hit it on the head. Indeed, the best place to focus your efforts ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    Interesting perspective and one that I suspect really hit it on the head.

    Indeed, the best place to focus your efforts would be on getting the laws changed. In a state with restrictive laws, there is plenty of evidence and support for the cause from other states that are less restrictive. Your state representative and / or senator may also be more concerned with your opinion than the idiot who thinks the sign protects him.
    Agree completely and I will avoid a "no gun" business if I can get as good from an "OK gun" business in the area. I have talked to quite a few owners and most are actually "six of one, half a dozen of the other" when it comes to CC themselves. They just want the sales and our money spends as good as anyone's but as they view us as the minority, which is quite accurate, they post the signs.
    Not to turn this into a debate but all save one stated they would immediately ask an open carry to depart with no compunction about calling the police and pressing criminal trespass charges. They felt they would need to do this to make clear to the other patrons "I" will control this. Unfortunately in my state the signs do carry the weight of law so you can't really push it as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odeaar View Post
    Why waste your time with those signs? They have no legal weight. If you conceal carry, how would they know? I'm not changing my routine because their silly sign. Those are the places you want to carry as others posted before, it's a safe haven for the BG.
    Question: Is there legal ramifications for stopping a armed robbery in one of those places if it was clearly a good shoot?
    These would be good questions to pose to your lawyer who specializes in gun law. In fact, you might want to put him on retainer, if you haven't already done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    this was posted a while back I turned into my own business cards and hand them out in your situation

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    The owner of that store should read up on MN law. The law is very specific on the verbage, sign size and even colors used. He sign is not valid at all.

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    We rarely see no gun signs in CO. At first there a few. Most malls have some kind of weapons ban in there rules, but they neer post any signs. Signs have no weight of law in CO. Thet are the same as no shirt no service signs. We have seen a few taken down. Tuesday Morning removed all theirs. I only know of one Costco that actually has a sign. I know the CEO is aanti-gun, but he likes money too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJVP View Post
    Here in Texas we see those "No Guns" sign and after pausing a moment to laugh, we go right in.
    I believe no-gun signs have force of law in Texas.

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    You should have told him they got the wrong signs. They heed the "Don't shoot employees" sign. Or maybe "No armed robberies."
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    For me the only difference between a store that post a sign like that, and one that doesn't would be. If something goes down inside the one that has the sign, they'll most likely be on their own as far as I'm concerned. Now that's not to say that I'd react any differently in the store that does not have the sign, but during the evaluation process on whether to act or not, I'm sure it'll cross my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    I believe no-gun signs have force of law in Texas.
    What you posted is a 30.06 sign. That sign and only that sign has force of law in TX. A "No Guns Allowed" , a "Gun Buster" sign, or any other sign that does not meet the requirements of 30.06 (exact language, both in english and spanish, correct letter type and size, etc) means absolutely nothing.

    The only other sign that carries force of law is a "red" 51% sign. That is for businesses that get more than 51% of alcohol sales for onsite consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJVP View Post
    Here in Texas we see those "No Guns" sign and after pausing a moment to laugh, we go right in.
    In Colorado if an owner of a business posts that sign we have to abide or be outside the law. Terribly annoying because it has the opposite effect of what they actually want. Pure ignorance and politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringXDsub View Post
    Sadly here in good ole' Nebraska those signs mean a heck of a lot and I would not want to be caught carrying if there was a sign posted. It is extremely annoying to walk up to a store.. see the sign.. and walk back to my car. (Sarcasm on) Thankfully they had that sign up because me, a legal CCW with a clean background, was going to go in and rob that store. But since they had the sign I decided to take my robbing elsewhere (Sarcasm off).
    Yep. I won't be risking it here in NE if I see the sign. Sigh...

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    You both have "rights". Respect theirs just as you wish them to respect yours. You're no better than they are. (and yes, I carry)

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    In NC the signs do hold weight, and they are not required to adhere to any size or info requirements, other than being visible. Once inside you have already commited tresspass. I too believe the owner has the right to post them on his property, and I read them all to say "Your money is not welcome here. Please spend it elsewhere". I abide by those wishes.
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    When a person operates a business open to the public they, by that very fact, give up certain property rights, try to open a business and not provide wheelchair ramps, handicapped parking spaces, handicapped bathrooms....... Could a business get away with posting a sign that said "NO (RACIAL GROUP OF YOUR CHOICE)" or "NO LONG HAIR"...... If you are open to the public, then YOU ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC...just one man's opinion.

    Here is just a small section of the index for an ADA brochure, tell me about "property rights"
    4.1 Minimum Requirements
    4.2 Space Allowance and Reach Ranges
    4.3 Accessible Route
    4.4 Protruding Objects
    4.5 Ground and Floor Surfaces
    4.6 Parking and Passenger Loading Zones
    4.7 Curb Ramps
    4.8 Ramps
    4.9 Stairs
    4.10 Elevators
    4.11 Platform Lifts (Wheelchair Lifts)
    4.12 Windows
    4.13 Doors
    4.14 Entrances
    4.15 Drinking Fountains and Water Coolers
    4.16 Water Closets
    4.17 Toilet Stalls
    4.18 Urinals
    4.19 Lavatories and Mirrors
    4.20 Bathtubs
    4.21 Shower Stalls
    4.22 Toilet Rooms
    4.23 Bathrooms, Bathing Facilities, and Shower Rooms
    4.24 Sinks
    4.25 Storage
    4.26 Handrails, Grab Bars, and Tub and Shower Seats
    4.27 Controls and Operating Mechanisms
    4.28 Alarms
    4.29 Detectable Warnings
    4.30 Signage
    4.31 Telephones
    4.32 Fixed or Built-in Seating and Tables
    4.33 Assembly Areas
    4.34 Automated Teller Machines
    4.35 Dressing and Fitting Rooms
    4.36 Saunas and Steam Rooms
    4.37 Benches
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    Here is a (serious) question regarding this topic. When you are carrying and decide to leave it in your vehicle do you take any 'special' action when putting it back in your holster or do you leave it where ever you put it in your car? I ask because yesterday I stopped at the ABC store, which is posted. Before going in, I took placed the Glock I was carrying in a closed console in my truck. I was in and out of the store in minutes. When I came out, I took it out of the console, put it back in the IWB holster, got in my truck and drove off. I haven't had a lot of practice yet getting it in and out of the holster seeing as this is my first carry gun and I just bought it last week. I wasn't sure if I would be able to get it back in from a seated position, but this is something to check into.

    Of course the whole leave it in your vehicle thing gets me to thinking about a couple of problems: 1 - someone notices what your doing and performs a vehicle theft while your in the store. 2 - Someone notices what you are doing and freaks out over an MWAG. 3 - The adage about NDs occurring from unnecessary handling. The obvious answer to all three is that it would have been best and safest thing for it to remain in it's holster, both for me and for the store clerks. The whole point to their stupid sign is for them to falsely feel safer when in fact it is doing the exact opposite.

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