This is a discussion on glock 19 not chambered or Ruger SR9C safety on within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by msutt1 Hello, I am new to the site so I apologize if this has already been beat up. I am new to ...
I'm not saying this to be mean or anything, but I don't think you know what you don't know.
Before buying a gun, buy yourself training from a reputable instructor. Get trigger time and learn how to use a pistol in a combative situation, then make up your mind.
Till that happens, it's all theoretical, and you may as well be discussing building assault tactics with suppressed rifles after fast roping from a helo.
Get on a firing line with an instructor and learn.
Then make your own choices.
Sorry, but striker-fired DAO pistols are ideal for carry, IMO. Carry in a proper holster and you'll have zero problems. Glock's are the number one carried pistol in the entire world. Of course they'll have the most ND's. Firearms don't go off on they're own. They're no easier to ND than anything else. What about Kahrs? DAO Sig's and HK's? Revolvers? And I'm sure that Glock rep. said that to cover himself. Anybody who is trained or has half a brain does NOT recommend to carry with an empty chamber.
This tread makes me wonder more about a person that can not read about a glock then take it apart and see how it works and understand how it funtions. If you don't want to carry a glock or several other stricker fired pistols chamberd just pick up a pocket full of rocks and your ready to defend yourself.
I didn't read every post but it looks like the general consensus is loaded or not at all and most don't care for safeties. I am personally somewhere in-between. I have carried several different guns including traditional double action and striker fired DAO guns. Most were chosen firstly based on what I considered most safe at the time. I have never been worried about one going off while holstered but always have been a little concerned about the possibility of hooking something while holstering the gun. Watch all the idiots on youtube that shoot themselves in the leg and you will see what I mean. If something is going to go wrong it will be when there is a hand on the gun. I believe there is no shame in owning a gun with a safety as some would have you think. I currently have two guns that are my dedicated carry guns. The SR9c and the M&P40c. Although most M&P pistols lack a manual safety much like a Glock, I ordered mine with the manual safety. I carry with the chamber loaded and safety off. I do however engage the safety while holstering the gun as well as unholstering in the house at the end of the day. I had the Ruger first and was comfortable with doing it that way so when I decided to get the M&P I wanted to keep things consistent. If I were to ever need it, all I have to do is draw and pull the trigger. Regardless of what you see on TV, I firmly believe that you would not have time to draw and chamber a round if you were ever justified in pulling your gun in the first place. Not to mention the possibility of something going wrong in the process or like someone else mentioned what if you only had one hand available to perform the task for whatever reason. It has already been said but guns don't just go off without pulling the trigger. If something were to actually go wrong in either of those guns and the firing pin did release on its own, it aint gonna go bang. If you have ever experienced a light primer strike you know what I mean. You can dent a primer pretty good and not have it fire and a striker fired gun with the firing pin partially back doesn't have enough impact. Now to answer your actual question.....given your weapon choices, I would carry the Ruger both because I like it better that the glock but also because you have the option of using the safety either full time or maybe just while holstering the weapon like I do. Everybody has a different comfort level and there is nothing wrong with that but I agree that if you carry, carry with a chambered round.
I highly suggest a good, hands on training class and plenty of practice. For me, I don't buy carry guns with a safety, and I don't carry without one in the chamber. I only carry a Glock. Once you build your confidence in your guns by practicing with them, you will see that they are safe to carry loaded.
Glocks are perfectly safe fully loaded ! There are 3 safety systems in the Glock. You could throw it against the wall and it won't go off ! As long as you don't pull the trigger
you won't have a problem. When you holster, draw, whatever, keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot. This is a common safety practice for any gun not just a Glock ! The SR-9C is a fine gun but the Glock is better made, and more durable. If you have a good holster it shouldn't be a problem. I was a bit uneasy carrying a Glock at first, but I got over it in a few hours, not days ! Try it, you'll get used to it. Millions of cops around the world carry their Glocks with one in the pipe, if it wasn't safe they wouldn't be allowd to do it ! Do what you feel most comfortable with though, Glocks aren't for everybody that's why Sig and Beretta are still in buisiness.
How would you feel with a cocked and locked 1911 ?
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1. Not everyone needs to have the ability (or desire) to take a gun apart and see how it works.
2. There's plenty of other options between a striker fired gun and rocks.
3. Not everyone needs to carry with a round chambered if it's not for them, so be it - it's their choice based on their personal situation.
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1. Take apart or field strip?? Everyone should know how to field strip and clean there gun. Taking fully apart maybe not. But field strip is min.
2. Yes there many kinds of guns look, test alot. You can own many different types.
3. If you carry you need to practic Condition one carry. If your not sure get traning or at least one with a safety if that makes you feel better. 21foot rule. That how far you need to be to safetly get a shot off. Even Cops get stabbed. While shooting BG. No round your good as dead.
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I'm not a Glock fan. I've shot a few and I simply don't care for the way they fit (actually don't fit) my hand and I don't like the trigger. I consider carrying one to be the same as carrying a 1911 in Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off - except that the 1911 is safer in that condition due to the grip safety.
That said, to each his own, but I really wish the drinkers of the Glock Kool-Aid would get off their "Glock's the greatest" and "nothing's safer than a Glock" kick, because both are simply OPINIONS and not facts.
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Loaded with one chambered. There is either no threat or no time.
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