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    OK there are a number of States that will not honor my Texas CHL (21 to be exact) that means another 29 do.

    There are the two famous States (Illinois and Wisconsin) that do not allow concealed carry at all.

    So what happens when a high profile person that has a body guard goes to a state his license is not honored in or they go ti IL or MN?

    I assume there is some kind of body guard law that allows a registered body guard to carry, and if so what kinds of hoops do you have to jump through to get a body guard license?

    Can my wife hire me as her body guard or better yet can I hire my wife as my body guard?
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    If it is not in the US Constitution then the Federal Government should not be doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    OK there are a number of States that will not honor my Texas CHL (21 to be exact) that means another 29 do.

    There are the two famous States (Illinois and Minnesota) that do not allow concealed carry at all.

    So what happens when a high profile person that has a body guard goes to a state his license is not honored in or they go ti IL or MN?

    I assume there is some kind of body guard law that allows a registered body guard to carry, and if so what kinds of hoops do you have to jump through to get a body guard license?

    Can my wife hire me as her body guard or better yet can I hire my wife as my body guard?

    No, there is no "Bodyguard" loophole. Private bodyguards (personal protection agents, personal security agents, security specialists, etc) are subject to the same state laws as anyone else. In some states, Personal Protection is strictly regulated as a complete individual industry. In some, it is regulated under the same umbrella as security guards. In some states, it is not regulated at all. However, concealed carry laws still apply. There are some states that make it a little easier for a bodyguard to get a permit to carry than an average civilian, but not very many. Generally, it is handled as a "Security Guard" license and there are very specific caveats. However, as stated above, you are still subject to state laws wherever you travel. Additionally, although you may be licensed to carry a firearm in TX and work as a bodyguard there, just because your CCW is recognized by another state does not mean that same state will recognize you as a legal bodyguard. It varies widely from state to state. That is why you often read headlines about music star's bodyguards being arrested in New York City for carrying a concealed firearm. It does not matter that they are a "bodyguard" or what certifications they have in that field...if they don't have a NYC CCW permit, they can't carry a firearm. If you are truly interested in finding out more detailed info, I highly suggest checking the "Executive Protection" forum at tacticalforums.com, where you will find all of this discussed in great detail. There is even a thread there that lists each state agency that regulates executive protection for that particular state.
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    The only body guards that are allowed to carry everywhere are federal (SS, ATFE, Etc..).

    Us peons.... err, civilians, even under the employment as a body guard, are still subject to all laws of the federal government, the states, and/or the counties.

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    Very good info...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    Can my wife hire me as her body guard or better yet can I hire my wife as my body guard?
    Yes! But I doubt any state will buy it!
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    I assure you, Minnesota is a Shall Issue state.



    I believe you're thinking of Wisconsin which we HOPE will change shortly.

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    Timmy Jimmy, there is no easy way around the problems of reciprocity. In non-free states, your choices are 1) don't go there or 2) don't carry. Yup, I know, they aren't great choices.

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    I'd have to do the math again but I believe it's 6 or 7 permits to cover the max number of states possible (39 IIRC)

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    An attorney could give the best answer, but: if you incorporate, listing her as head of the corporation, theoretically, you could take the armed CLEET exam for that state.......

    Residency, the state you incorporated in, etc., would be factors. If you really want to, that's the only way I could possibly see. I wouldn't hold my breath.......

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    Timmy Jimmy,

    Illinois and Wisconsin are the last two states that don't have some type of civilian concealed carry option. Not Minnesota.
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    You may have to look beyond the CCH laws when working as a Bodyguard in other states. In Virginia, to work as a "bodyguard" (referred to here as a Personal Protection Specialist) you would have to have a Virginia DCJS PPS license, which includes advanced handgun training and a security firearms endorsement. In addition, employing yourself to protect your wife and vice/versa, in that capacity you would have to obtain a "Private Security Services Business License." With insurance and all the rest, that can get expensive.

    I can only speak to Virginia, but I'm guessing other states may employ the same guidelines, where as just having a CCH does not permit one to be a "Bodyguard."

    The successfull PPS's around here, with clients that travel a lot, obtain working licenses in several states. That's the drawback, it can very expensive to maintain yearly qualification in multiple jurisdictions. Most of the time, much of that expense is passed on to the client.
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    "There are the two famous States (Illinois and Minnesota) that do not allow concealed carry at all." - Minnesota does allow CC. We are a shall issue state. I believe you mean WI.
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    The folks over at Tactical Forums have a Executive Security Protection thread that is quite informative. You can pick up quite abit there about licenses, requirements, etc.. Here is the link(I lurk there some).

    http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...ubb=forum;f=51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy Jimmy View Post
    So what happens when a high profile person that has a body guard goes to a state his license is not honored in or they go ti IL or MN?
    They hire local talent.
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    Good Thread... I always wondered that myself...
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