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    "[I politely, yet somewhat forceably to as remove any doubt in her feeble Yankee mind informed her that in this state, such conduct was not only legal, but highly encouraged and also told her that it was entirely possible that she may have been the only one there that wasnt armed]"

    Don't you just love it , When people TRY to tell you how to do your job ; )
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    ^^^ Moga

    It may be that you are relating more to the Open Carry Issues. On that subject, I think that most Law Enforcement Agency's may be against enacting a change to allow that, but not so much as their supporting responsible CCW`ing.

    I feel that given the way our society is headed today, the way LEO's view CCW and their thoughts are starting to change. With departments having to cut back because of budget cuts, less LEO's being able to over see their areas, some Capt's, Sheriffs, Patrol Officers, and even some Mayors are starting to suggest that their Law Abiding Responsible Citizens consider Legally arming themselves and get a CCW Permit. Because some are saying that since they are becoming so short staffed that it is hard for them to fully protect their citizens the way they would like to be able too do.

    You can't carry a Police Officer in your pocket!

    Case in point = Sheriff: Time For Citizens To Arm Themselves - Greenville News Story - WYFF Greenville

    If you take into consideration, all the above postings, if someone does notice your CCW`ing it all depends on how that person reacts to noticing you are, based on what you are doing, what you look like <profiling can be a factor>, and how you may be acting at the time of discovery can make a big difference too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timezoneguy View Post
    Most folks, if you are acting normal, assume then it must not be a big deal.
    Even though I can't open carry, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've read up on this type of thing where security specialists will infiltrate a company with the upper management's permission in order to find weaknesses in their security procedures. Apparently most of the required skill is simply fitting in and acting normal. You can get people to open doors for you, ignore the fact that you are disassembling some piece of equipment, etc.. As long as you don't appear to be worried about it or attempting to hide what you are doing, people will assume you are supposed to be there.

    I can imagine that is true even when somebody spots the gun being open carried. I suspect most people will see that you are not the least bit concerned about it, and nobody else around seems concerned about it. Then there must be a reason the person is carrying a gun. Maybe they are security, or law enforcement? Who knows.
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    Man, I wrote out a nice response only to have it erased accidentally by hitting the back key. I'll just give the highlights.

    According to my LE contacts, 911 operators are trained to dispatch PD to any calls involving a man with a gun without first finding out if the person is simply armed or armed & dangerous. Perhaps the directors don't trust the operators judgment to know exactly what constitutes dangerous? In the opinion of my cop friends, sending the police first and asking questions upon arrival is a common practice across the country. It is also a terrible waste of resources IMO, especially in states that are open carry states. Be that as it is, a gun seen briefly or displayed openly matters little to the 911 operators around here. If some one calls then PD has to respond. They also have this terrible habit of disarming folks that are acting within the bounds of the law and running serials. Again, I hear that's a common practice, yet one that I have not personally experienced. I know of one sheriff in Georgia who does not send out any deputies until they first determine if there's a genuine need. He also said extensive training of everyone from his deputies to his operators was required before he could implement that policy. It was very expensive and he and his chief deputy had to write the training materials themselves because none existed previously in state. Maybe there's a clue as to why operators asking if armed & dangerous is not more widely practiced.
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    zamboni, point taken about the sheriff out of SC. I thought first of that example before I clicked on the link you provided. Too bad there aren't far more of them and fewer of the type that believe only cops are professional enough to use guns defensively.

    Most people outside of the gun community still have difficulty grasping the idea that guns don't kill people, that people kill people, as you know. Considering that most PD chiefs serve at the whim of their mayor, and are much closer to politicians than cops, I could see how those chiefs appointed by their cities' mayor would shy away from publicly advocating for an armed populace, even if they privately believe in it. The average person in the population would construe that in any manner of ways other than how it was intended. Oh, did you hear police chief so and so come out in support of vigilante violence? He's going to have neighbors shooting each other over poop in the yard etc. It's silly but as appointed officials they're vulnerable to nonsense of that type from the public. The drone of guns = bad is much too powerful in the mass media and pop culture for most people to think sensibly about the issue instead of having an emotional, knee jerk response.

    Sheriffs, on the other hand, are elected directly by their constituents. I think they have a wider latitude to take a stance on issues because they don't have the mayor binding one hand behind his back in the name of political correctness.
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    Detroit can suck eggs it's all their fault, we need to outlaw automobiles because they are kill people. Oh and motor cycles too. What about ladders, and swimming pools are killing our children too so fill um all in with dirt ...

    There was a Mayor in Ohio about a year or so ago who`s town had to lay-off some of their Police Officers, and during the announcing press conference he told his citizens they all better go out and buy a gun, that because of these lay-offs, they are all now, more or less on their own!

    Adding, that we can no longer guarantee your safety because of these lay-offs! Needless to say the local gun store owners were elated because gun and ammo sales sky rocketed.

    I wounder how that poor lady that was attacked while walking her dog felt about people carrying guns? I'd be interested to hear if she is an anti or not? If she is an anti, after hearing the Sheriff telling everyone to start packin heat, what are her thoughts now?

    These tree huggin anti gunners need to wise up. OK, so you don't like guns and I'm fine with that but DO NOT try to instill your bevels onto me. I am an upstanding law abiding responsible citizen and I know that you frown on my 2A Rights. But, at some point in time they are going to be happy a sheep dog was near to help their sheepish fanny out of a life threatening bind.

    Like the Sheriff said: "I only wish there would have been someone with a CCW to hear that poor woman's cries for help to take that animal out!" I'll bet she, her family and friends do too!

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    more kids die in backyard pools than from guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    more kids die in backyard pools than from guns
    Actually I read a report (can't remember where) that said more children under age 5 die in 5 gal buckets than from firearms.

    Back to the thread topic......I lived in Missouri at the time of CCW adoption, and since it had always been an open carry state (except municipalities could ban) I never gave a damn about an accidental exposure and never had a problem. I am now in Colorado and as it is also an open carry state I don't worry about it much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam911 View Post
    That woman appears to have something sticking out of her behind :x

    Also she has super strength and can remove lug nuts with her bare hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTTR84 View Post
    That woman appears to have something sticking out of her behind :x

    Also she has super strength and can remove lug nuts with her bare hands.
    Yes... but that's not a "woman" She's a cyborg from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles"
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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    Yes... but that's not a "woman" She's a cyborg from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles"
    Oh, haha

    That explains the totally unrealistic picture.

    (not of a woman knowing how to change a tire, but just the scene in general)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruark View Post
    Boy, talk about having a bad day. I can see it now: you drop by the supermarket to pick up some bread and milk, and a minute later you're surrounded by a SWAT team
    If only police response times could be that fast...
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    sorry but I got ah ask

    is she available? I'd like to get to know her

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    PS> for get AAA next time I gots me a flat I want her to come change my tire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    You will be amazed at what people fail to see!
    I wouldn't not after stumbling across a porn site that has clips of ladies walking starkers through crowded city streets. Did most people notice? Yes, but, on many many occasions the ladies would walk right past someone who couldn't be more unaware. If anyone can miss a naked lady walking past you less than 5 feet away, then they can miss anything.
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