"Accidental" CW exposure
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December 9th, 2011 11:59 AM
If your depending on the P.D. to protect you - yours is false hope. The F.B.I. and police statistics don't point out that 95%of the time police response is after the fact. A very small percentage of the time is a police officer able to be on scene and effectively stop a crime in progress. It's not that they don't want to (maybe some don't - I know one) but they simply can not get there in time. And from time to time you hear from some official looking police commissioner or chief they have no legal responsiblity to come to your aid and protect you ( This is usually said when these officials are on the hot seat for some officer screwing up). Point is you always have been on your own. I know this looks like I'm slamming LEO's - I'm not. There are a lot of good hard working officers out there - they just can't be standing next to you 24/7. As far as the liberal/sheeple - criminals always need victims - you just can't fix stupid.
December 9th, 2011 01:17 PM
I don't see a shirt riding up when your reaching over your head as intentional. Your not using your hand to lift the shirt.
Originally Posted by farronwolf
I don't know of to many holster that cover the entire gun, including the grip.
Secondly, if you have a holster that covers the entire barrel of the gun, they should only see the piece of leather that is visible when you reach up. None of the gun should be visible to them
and you would not be failing to conceal the gun, only failing ot conceal the holster. Not recommended by any means but there is a difference in my mind.
I do agree, in this case I don't see it being an issue. It's Texas after all!
As far as the security guard seeing it, they might ask you to leave the store. You should do so, so you are not in violation of 30.06. If it is a LEO that sees the gun, more than likely they will ask for you ID and you will be required to show them you DL and CHL at that time. I doubt that if it was a brief/unintentional exposure of the holster/gun that is would be an issue if you cooperate fully
, and listen to the suggestions about keeping it concealed in the future. If they pursue it, then you might have to spend some money.
In Michigan open carry is legal, so unless you "Brandishing" the gun it wouldn't be a problem. A jumpy customer might make a MWAG call, and the police might even respond, but you should be OK. I have only seen someone open carrying once, in a Sam's Club. I couldn't tell for sure if the sales clerk helping him noticed or not. I didn't see anyone else paying attention and as far as I know there was no MWAG call.
December 9th, 2011 01:37 PM
I would have been so tempted to ask her to take a breathalizer test. When she asked why I would tell her that obviously she didn't realize that she had left Massachustts long ago so she must be drunk, and if she was, that I would be taking her in for drunk and disorderly, filing a false 911 call and anything else I could.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
December 9th, 2011 04:43 PM
All depends on the state Handgunlaw.us
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December 16th, 2011 09:44 PM
In TN we have a Carry Permit, sooo it matters not........
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December 17th, 2011 02:53 AM
You're supposed to keep it concealed but I doubt if your coat flaps open for a second most cops are going to make a big deal out of it. They'd check your permit to make sure you weren't a felon and likely tell you to be more careful. But there is danger anytime you're seen with a gun, misinterpretation etc. The latter is likely more of a real danger and motivator for keeping it concealed than usual legal action.
Originally Posted by Ruark
Last edited by walleye; December 17th, 2011 at 12:28 PM.
December 17th, 2011 08:00 AM
Come on over to AZ. (At least in southern AZ) No one would blink an eye.
It is not unusual to be standing in line at the local grocery store, gas station, book store, Etc and observe someone standing in line ahead of you exposing a semi hidden firearm.
December 17th, 2011 09:53 PM
Texas does not have open carry. I have however, seen it three times. No LEO ID was visible, and, qute frankly, they did not look like cops either. Still, no-one raised an eybrow. Simply because that although they wrre open carrying, it did not look out of place. My thought was that it was either an LEO who forgot to place his badge on his belt or hang around his neck (even if I thought they didnt look 'cop'), or in the case of one of them, they were from across the state line and did not realize that TX prohibits OC.
Point being, No-one called them in. No-one raised an eyebrow. So, chances are, if you accidentally display, and make as if it is no big deal at all, then nothing will happen. At least in Texas!
December 18th, 2011 02:05 PM
Some states consider exposing a CC handgun as brandishing, a serious offense that can revoke your CC permit. So, be very careful about exposing it when doing some tasks and be aware of the drawbacks of your carry method that exposes your CC handgun.
December 18th, 2011 07:14 PM
^^^^^^^^^In TX it could be a problem, incumbent on the responding LEO,^^^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by tomtsr
and how they view CC and permitholders.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
^^^^^^Hopyard is, I believe^^^^^^^^^
Hitting this nail on the head, inso far as TX would be concerned.
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