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This is a discussion on Attorney within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis Ok JonConsiglio! This is your time to chime in! I thought JC was a photog.....and a trained killer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis View Post
    Ok JonConsiglio! This is your time to chime in!
    I thought JC was a photog.....and a trained killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The thickest part of the Yellow Pages is the listing of attorneys. Are you concerned that you might not be able to find one if needed?
    It's finding the right one with the right experience, versus finding one by lottery, or whoever picks up the phone first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MolonLabe72 View Post
    One option that might be a good fit for some folks is PrePaid Legal. My plan was $25 per month for most things I would need an attorney for...document review, drawing up contracts, wills, etc. $1 per month extra gives you 24 hour access to a pool of lawyers in the event of arrest and provided for a certain number of trial hours. When I used to travel 3-5 days out of the week and had the opportunity to carry in other states, this was nice piece of mind. They even provided wallet cards with instructions to the police that said you were represented and you were invoking your right to legal counsel upon presentation, with contact information for the hotline. Local attorneys contract with them at a national level, so one call would get the process rolling and a local attorney on his/her way to help you.

    Although I don't have it right now, I plan on signing up again at the beginning of the year.
    I've got Pre-paid legal. It's good for simple stuff..wills, reviewing legal documents and contracts, writing a letter on your behalf, etc. It will also get you in touch with an attorney very quickly anytime you call..day or night. I've heard that quality of service can vary in different areas depending on the member law firm, but I'm quite happy with mine. In a criminal case or a serious civil lawsuit, I would probably shop for an attorney on my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The thickest part of the Yellow Pages is the listing of attorneys. Are you concerned that you might not be able to find one if needed?
    poor advice, when your freedom is in jeopardy you don't want just any fool to represent you, as others have said it is wise to find a lawyer who knows our issues and his way around the jail and courthouse, get his card and use it if you ever get into trouble

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    No. From what I've seen, by the time one needs a criminal lawyer it's already too late.

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    Why would I spend good money on a lawyer when I can get free legal advice from the real experts on the internet???
    Kidding aside, I have the number of a lawyer who specializes in gun law in my wallet, on my cell phone and committed to memory.
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    I don't plan on going to the hospital, having a car accident, my house burning down, or stopping a threat to my life. But I've acquired insurance just in case. I'm trying the below company for a year. It's a few bucks cheaper than the NRA insurance and I don't get annoying junk mail every week. Hope to never need it, but if you ever need it once, it will more than pay for itself. It covers up to and including the grand jury if necessary. Does not cover any bail or criminal trial though. Just sayen.

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    My response is

    1)NO QUESTIONS PLEASE, until I have a lawyer present
    2)CALL MY LAWYER PLEASE
    3)KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT until represented

    Written on the back of my law firms card as instructed.

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    I did some gunsmithing for my lawyer in exchange for his personal cell number, which I have memorized and given to my emergency contact person. In case I only get one call that person can get multiple balls rolling.

    I memorized it because they won't let you have your phone in jail and you won't be able to review your list of contacts.
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    I think I was lucky. I was Googling lawyers and CC stuff and came across a local lawyer who is into CC. He is a civil lawyer not a defense lawyer, but he understands local defense law because he carries. I had a free initial session with him in which we talked gun law and guns. He agreed to at least initially represent me if the need arose. If things go beyond his expertise he will turn me over to a specialist. He doesn't charge a retainer fee. He said to just call him if needed.

    I also just joined the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network which should cover most costs in case I need representation. The free informational DVDs they send alone are worth the $85 per year membership fee. They will also find you a lawyer if the need arises.

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    I think the first thing you do if you have to be in a shooting incident, after surrendering your weapon to the proper authority, and after they read you your rights, is ask for a lawyer.....the questions stop there, and if you cannot afford one, one will be appointed to you. I would think in a stressfull situation, '' sorry to all LEO's out there'' , but to me shooting someone is a last option, and am sure it would after the fact have me thinking and pumped up, adrenaline flowing, emotions flowing, I want a lawyer. I do not want to incriminate myself over saying something, that is not justifiably correct, or that possible comes out wrong. I would not keep one on retainer, I would DEFINATLY want one if I had to discharge my weapon and shoot someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis1209 View Post
    I don't plan on going to the hospital, having a car accident, my house burning down, or stopping a threat to my life. But I've acquired insurance just in case. I'm trying the below company for a year. It's a few bucks cheaper than the NRA insurance and I don't get annoying junk mail every week. Hope to never need it, but if you ever need it once, it will more than pay for itself. It covers up to and including the grand jury if necessary. Does not cover any bail or criminal trial though. Just sayen.

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    I don't see how many members they got... I don't see any guarantee of coverage... I don't see much but a very inexpensive website... and some money going down a rat hole... I see one testimonial... from someone who has actually used it... the rest are shills...

    Hope you don't need it. Good luck if you do.
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    Better to have Family members that can do the research and get a lawyer for you. Once you are placed under arrest, you are not gong to have a great deal of time or access to do some proper research to get you out of the local detention center.

    ON EDIT - I did try to do some research into that aspect a few years back, and only one was willing to talk to me, and it was $5k just to handle arraignment and bail.
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    I've carried a gun and practiced in criminal defense for the last twenty years.

    I wouldn't even accept a retainer from someone who had not yet been charged with a crime.

    If one of you guys in my jurisdiction called me, I'd spend a few minutes on the phone or even in person with you, give you my cell number, and consider you one of my brothers in arms. I'd much rather have you call me for anything you might need a lawyer for, and give my number to anyone you know who needs a lawyer, than cash one retainer check from you and never hear from you again. I cannot buy goodwill, I have to earn it, and taking money for something I might never do is not a great way to earn goodwill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I thought JC was a photog.....and a trained killer.
    Are you ever embarrassed of yourself? It's sad, honestly.

    Yep, photographer for about 5 years but I left the industry a little over 2 years to go into my current line of work full time. I'm not a trained killer. But I work in close protection and firearms training full time the past almost 2 years and part time in the industry for the past 6 years, roughly.

    I was going to reply about that last comment, but it would be like arguing about physics with my 6 year old. There is such a profound about of ignorance in those posts that there's no getting through and honestly no point in trying.

    I mean, who really cares? This would be like being on the Mercedes forum arguing with a burger flipper that owns a 92 Civic about the features my '11 E350 4-matic. what does he know? If he does know anything, that tiny bit of knowledge came from a magazine, not real world experience or training. A bit silly right?

    I don't understand you. You are so wrong, people actually tell you all the time, yet you still talk. I mean seriously, I'd be embarrassed that I was put in my place so many times by people with so much more knowledge than you. I seriously don't understand how someone can be so wrong and not even try to learn anything unless you are a liberal mouthpiece just trolling, or you honestly have some mental illness causing you to be this way. If that's the case, and I'm being 100% serious here and mean no harm, I apologize and will leave you alone when you make these drastic posts as I've seen how sad people with those illnesses lives are and I'd hate to prod someone that needs help. If there's something wrong in your life like family issues or illness, I'll keep you in my prayers.

    Per the opening post - No need to keep an attorney on retainer in my opinion. I don't see it as a bad thing though either because there's a lot more we need attorneys for that the slim chance we're in a self defesne shooting. When I need legal advice, I usually call my Dad in LA, but then I realized that even though it's close, there are differences between states, especially with self defense laws.

    EDIT - the only reason I even know about this thread is two different members were kind enough to let me know I was being "baited" (used by both members) by a certain member.

    Also, MadMac, I've asked for your background a few times now. The last time you never posted in the thread again. So please, tell us your background, your career and your training/eduction so we can truly understand where you're coming from in your posts and if you're speaking on your eduction/training, or just saying what you think based on neither training nor eduction. Eagerly waiting.
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