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    People who think they are concealed with just a T-shirt are just fooling themselves as far as I am concerned. I work very hard to conceal my carry gun. That has meant many hours of standing in front of a full length mirror wearing different types of clothing bending over, sitting and squatting to determine how badly the gun will protrude during all these activities. I have found that a heavy shirt worn open at the waist is pretty darned good for me but I even take extra precautions beyond that. I always wear a T-shirt between me and the cover garment. Since my carry guns are dark, I have found that wearing a dark t-shirt makes them less likely to be seen should my shirt open up. I have a friend of mine who is has been carrying proffesionaly for a long time who told me he could tell that I was carrying, this conversation was over the phone. I ran into him a few days later and, after several minutes of talking to him about other things, I asked him if he could tell. He said no even after looking hard. I showed him that I was and he was pretty surprised.


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    I wear a Remora holster. I have carried with just a t-shirt and have asked friends if they could tell. It is possible without wearing the open shirt with a covering t-shirt that is very obvious.

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    Those Remora holsters are REAL good at concealment as there are no loops. clips, or anything mechanical to "show off" your carrying!! Just tuck in your pants waistline or pocket and that's it!!
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    I try to mind my own business, but would have kept an eye on him, as honestly I would have propably been carrying also, only in a deep concealed mode. not as easy to get out, but does not print period, and that is just me......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotorCityGun View Post
    Here's what are considered PFA's in MI. Note to OP, a sports arena and 2500 capacity entertainment facillity are separate pfa's. My only advice is to know and comply with the (local) rules/laws, and if you decide not to, make sure that you're "totally" concealed.

    Pistol Free Areas

    Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

    - Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

    - Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

    - Sports arena or stadium

    - A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

    - Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

    - An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

    - A hospital

    - A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

    - A Casino

    "Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

    A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:

    First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
    Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
    Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

    Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

    "Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
    However if I'm not mistaken the parking lot of a casino is still off limits. The casino clause was added after the others and the parking lot was not exempted from what I recall.

    If you look, the parking lot exemption is all areas in subsection 1, but the casino's are listed in sub section 2:

    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.
    Sec. 5o.

    (1) Subject to subsection (4), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:

    (a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

    (b) A public or private child care center or day care center, public or private child caring institution, or public or private child placing agency.

    (c) A sports arena or stadium.

    (d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

    (e) Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials of the church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship permit the carrying of concealed pistol on that property or facility.

    (f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.

    (g) A hospital.

    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.

    (2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.

    (3) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBeau View Post
    However if I'm not mistaken the parking lot of a casino is still off limits. The casino clause was added after the others and the parking lot was not exempted from what I recall.

    If you look, the parking lot exemption is all areas in subsection 1, but the casino's are listed in sub section 2:
    Man, sometimes ya' gotta' be a Philedelphia friggin' lawyer to understand these laws they way they're written. What am I missing here?

    It states in (3), which btw is a standalone subsection and not part of (2), that "premises" (where concealed carry is NOT allowed) does not include parking areas noted in (1). Therefore, (I think) this means that cc IS allowed in the parking areas of those premises where it is NOT allowed.

    Help me here, am I reading/interpreting this incorrectly?
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