Best Approach for Those You're Around at the Range Acting Unsafely?

This is a discussion on Best Approach for Those You're Around at the Range Acting Unsafely? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; 1 - I would speak up immediately and then, 2 - notify the range management/RO immediately. I would not wait for a second occurrence. My ...

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    1 - I would speak up immediately and then,
    2 - notify the range management/RO immediately. I would not wait for a second occurrence.

    My club's range is a 100 yard outdoor range and public access is limited to weekends. We have 16 ports and most Saturdays and Sundays all are in use. It is not uncommon to have 10k or more rounds go downrange on a typical 8-hour day. While the range is open to the public there are five ROs on duty and it is a command-controlled range. We shoot in 20 minutes stages and then call a cease fire. During the cease fire, there is NO handling of firearms and all non-ROs are required to stand away from the port tables. The safety rules are repeated at the beginning of EVERY shooting stage and the shooters are told that anyone can call an immediate cease fire if they observe an unsafe condition. If one is called, all shooting ceases until the situation is disposed of.
    Safety rules violators are generally warned the first time, and then ejected from the range on the second one. If serious enough, they can be ejected on the first one. Needless to say, we have an excellent safety record.

    In our club (limited membership) every member is trained as an RO and is required to pull range duty at least twice a quarter. Even during the week, when shooting is members-only, the same rules and format apply, even though there is not a designated RO on duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I'm the OP and posted a story of unsafe activity but had forgotten THIS ONE - not at a range and MUCH WORSE:

    Back in the early '70s my cousin was a city police officer - uniformed. Great guy but then a wild one.

    Coming back home from a long drive from school I was attending, I stopped for a beer at a local bar frequented by many I knew. My cousin was sitting at the bar, civies, back to me. I walked up close behind, he saw me and said "HEY FRED !!!".

    In one swift motion he pulled his service revolver out, put it right up to my face and pulled the trigger several times - then roared with laughter: the gun was empty. I almost fainted.
    That gun would have needed to be re-blued after your cousin pulled it out of his backside....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    That gun would have needed to be re-blued after your cousin pulled it out of his backside.....

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    That is very funny. (a lot funnier than the incident).
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    We have a range at work and used to fly a little looser, then we had a fire that may have been started by a tracer round. Corporate made us change a few things. We added a volunteer RSO position and RO position at each range. The RSO positin isan NRA trained only RSO position. The club paid for each volunteer to be trained and we sign up for duty. The only drawback is that the RSO can not shoot while wearing the vest. The RSO can shoot if he is the only one on the entire facility. We vare extremely careful and follow all the rules because we know corporate would shut us down if we have a single AD resulting in injury. This is a company perk no one wants to lose. If we see such an incident we would approach the shooter or notify the RSO if we didn't feel comfortable approaching them. Rules are rules and we are very big sticklers on safety. Governor Hickenlooper was shooting at our range a few months back and they had to refuse letting his son shoot because he didn't have his hunter's safety card with him.

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    I was a duty RO at my IWLA chapter pistol range one Saturday afternoon several years ago. I witnessed one "gentleman" pointing his revolver every which way but downrange. I immediately called a cease-fire and went to his shooting position and grabbed the revolver from his hands. I unloaded it and handed it back to him, telling him that he needed to go home and practice safe gun handling and brush up on range safety. I never did see him at the range again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    I was a duty RO at my IWLA chapter pistol range one Saturday afternoon several years ago. I witnessed one "gentleman" pointing his revolver every which way but downrange. I immediately called a cease-fire and went to his shooting position and grabbed the revolver from his hands. I unloaded it and handed it back to him, telling him that he needed to go home and practice safe gun handling and brush up on range safety. I never did see him at the range again.
    You grabbed the revolver from his hands? That was a smart thing to do? You were fortunate that he didn't attempt to defend himself. In circumspect, was there a better way to handle the situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    You grabbed the revolver from his hands? That was a smart thing to do? You were fortunate that he didn't attempt to defend himself. In circumspect, was there a better way to handle the situation?
    I guess you had to be there. Yes, grabbing his firearm was the best approach at the time. And no, I was not in danger of being shot from him defending himself. The threat was from what may have happened if he had kept up with what he was doing. I had already begun "lecturing" him before I went for the gun, and he knew what I was doing. My concern was to first get his muzzle pointed downrange. He cooperated fully. After the fact, he knew he had acted in an unsafe manner.

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    I would say something. Depending on the situation, I might help the guy out by drilling the safety rules into his head and pointing him towards professional training. Then again I might just tell him it's not safe and leave while reporting him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post

    In one swift motion he pulled his service revolver out, put it right up to my face and pulled the trigger several times - then roared with laughter: the gun was empty. I almost fainted.
    Reminds me of the time my uncle did something similar. Many years ago I was attending the local community college. Some guy came onto campus on the last day of exams and put 20 + rounds through his estranged wife. He was taken down by some construction workers who chased him. It was traumatic, to say the least, to watch the whole crime scene get processed, the victim lying dead in the street covered by a sheet. A few days later, my uncle grabbed me in a headlock, pointed a chef's knife at me, and then proceeded to press the dull side of the knife against my throat. He thought it was hillarious and that I was too uptight. NOT funny. People pretending to shoot or cut you are NOT funny, especially when you are dealing with post-traumatic stress from a very recent violent crime.

    As far as range safety is concerned, the RSOs at the range I go to are pretty good. But I would definitely say something politely but firmly about keeping the gun pointed downrange. Public ranges can be a little scary sometimes

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    Depends on what I see. I dont know everything about guns but I will and have mentioned things to people that look unsafe. I do it politely. In a room full of guns, rudeness seems stupid. With a little luck, I will already have interacted with the other people on the line in my area, at least by smiling or admiring their guns with a nod, etc.

    I only really go to 2 ranges on a regular basis. Both know me. At the indoor, the range masters always make sure I'm in the line (there are 2) with the least rowdy/most experienced shooters and give me the farthest stall available. They have windows and keep an eye on the shooting in general but I wont hesitate to tell them about something that makes me uncomfortable. I'll speak to either range masters or any range employee that's around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    I was a duty RO at my IWLA chapter pistol range one Saturday afternoon several years ago. I witnessed one "gentleman" pointing his revolver every which way but downrange. I immediately called a cease-fire and went to his shooting position and grabbed the revolver from his hands. I unloaded it and handed it back to him, telling him that he needed to go home and practice safe gun handling and brush up on range safety. I never did see him at the range again.
    Really bad move, especially if the gun discharges while the two of you were both handling it at the same time. Instructing him to lay the gun down is a better action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    Really bad move, especially if the gun discharges while the two of you were both handling it at the same time. Instructing him to lay the gun down is a better action.
    Cool. I'm certainly not afraid of a little constructive criticism. I will add, however, that verbal instructions had already been given, and they apparently just weren't sinking in, as he began to move the weapon beyond a safe angle once again. It was at this time that I did take physical action (gently but firmly). I can honestly say I would do the same thing again, if a similar situation were occurring while I was on duty. Is it ideal? of course not. However, this was already a less than ideal situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    Cool. I'm certainly not afraid of a little constructive criticism. I will add, however, that verbal instructions had already been given, and they apparently just weren't sinking in, as he began to move the weapon beyond a safe angle once again. It was at this time that I did take physical action (gently but firmly). I can honestly say I would do the same thing again, if a similar situation were occurring while I was on duty. Is it ideal? of course not. However, this was already a less than ideal situation.
    I understand what you are saying, but grabbing a gun while in another person's hand is a disaster waiting to happen. You can't really immobilize the gun before he can pull the trigger. If he was actually shooting, you can be darn sure I would not be grabbing the gun!

    I have had a similar situation, but was by his side in a few steps and yelled in his ear to put the gun down. That stopped his motion. Then I unloaded the pistol and watched him load up his stuff and escorted him off the range to his vehicle.
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    The RO's should be all over it. They are the ones that should be making sure everyone shoots safe. I'm too busy concentrating on what I'm doing. If I happen to observe unsafe behavior and there is no RO correcting the situation....its better for me to just pick up my gear and leave. I cant do what I need to do AND watch everyone else too.

    JMO and I hope I don't offend any RO's here, but I pay range fee's and I expect a good level of supervision of the safety of said range. Everyone should?

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    Stop firing. Pack gear. Load truck. A glare and a shake of the head. They get the idea. Drive home. Their kind are usually not regulars. They don't last.

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