This is a discussion on Loaded CCW Guns in Safe: Safety Question ? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ksholder Post #9 got me thinking. In a revolver, all rounds are contained in the cylinder. In an auto loader, only the ...
I did see one shotgun that was in a fire safe that survived a fire with no damage, but the plastic shells got soft and the mag spring compressed them into a stack inside the mag tube. They got mashed, then cooled into a sculpture but they didn't go off. I kept that as a souvenir for a while.
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As Superhouse15 mentioned, I'm not sure that ammo in an actual "fire safe" would ever get hot enough to self-combust in even the hottest of most house fires. A fire safe is designed with a media between the inner and outer walls that not only provides an insulation barrier, but also slowly releases moisture as heat intensifies.
Generally any safe (gun or otherwise) the claims to be a "fire safe" has a specified "hour rating" at which it will keep the internal contents below a temperature of 350 degrees/F under a fixed outside test oven temperature of around 1800 degrees/F. 350 degrees is the target temperature because paper (and money) will begin to char at around 380 degrees/F.
So, while plastic shotgun shell cases and composite stocks may begin melting at 350 degrees, I think the autoignition point of primers or gunpowder is much higher than that - which would probably not see any rounds cooking off in a fire safe during most house fires.
Here are two scenarios:
1. Bad guy comes into bedroom, sees your gun and is now armed. Hopefully you have layered security, alarms, dog, locked bedroom door, etc, but still if he gets in he could now be armed with your gun. Remember the BG is amped up. You are asleep or groggy;
2. Bad guy is coming at you and you grab handgun and squeeze trigger and it goes 'click'. In your groggy state you forgot you had to rack the slide. BUT, if you remembered, you have lost precious seconds as he lunges and you don't get the shot off.
SO...if you are using the handgun on the table as a form of quick self-defense, you have essentially neutralized your intent OR worse, having it in the open you have aided the bad guy.
I'd suggest another storage location that is not immediately visible to a stranger, but available to you AND I'd suggest you have the gun in condition 1 just like it would be if you were carrying, because your 'memory' will be that condition you normally keep it, presuming you carry chambered. It's a bad idea to deviate from your normal mode because in the stress of a fight you forget that which you probably haven't practiced.
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I think he was referring to the OP with the guns stored inside a locked safe, not carried. I agree inside a safe there is no need to holster unless that is how you prefer to keep them together.
Not much of a reason to be near a gun safe in a fire that is hot enough to cook off a chambered round inside a safe. I figure you would have a much, much higher change of death or injury from the fire/smoke than an unlikely and randomly pointed handgun round. I am not saying it's not possible, but highly unlikely. Nothing to lose sleep over.
And I think you're right, the likelihood of a gun accident inside and through a steel box is way below that of an ND or problem-gun when loading/unloading, clambering etc daily.
When crossing the street in heavy and fast traffic, meteor-strikes are not the main worry.
You could add a fire proof bag for use in side your safe to help with add fire protection of your handgun, ammo and any other items of value. These can take a margenal firerated safe and up the rateing.
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