Yet another to CC
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December 24th, 2011 08:59 PM
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December 24th, 2011 10:03 PM
Most of these attacks are without any warning, often from behind. My guess is in the vast majority of the cases even being armed isn't going to help. Anyone caught participating in this "game" should be tried and a sentence carried out immediately. I think a just sentence would be 100 lashes to the back with a whip. The punishment done publicly and afterwords his wounds cleansed with salt water.
Freedom doesn't come free. It is bought and paid for by the lives and blood of our men and women in uniform.
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December 24th, 2011 11:16 PM
know your surroundings at all times, avoid susceptible iffy scenarios, keep one in the chamber
December 24th, 2011 11:22 PM
I noticed in the article, one guy said he saw the group and it seemed out of place, and the man who was killed took a shortcut down an alley. Both lessons to trust your instincts, avoid possible trouble (alley), and always carry! So sad and terrible that these crimes are happening.
December 24th, 2011 11:44 PM
And if the victim dies, I call for a public hanging. Not joking.
Originally Posted by archer51
December 25th, 2011 09:35 AM
Nothing new here. See A Clockwork Orange for examples of how bored, impoverished youth tend to make up their own entertainments. And they've done this, of course, since time immemorial. It's cheap, easy, and fun.
Well, to them it is, anyway. In the real world, people die or are terribly injured. Your job is to be a hard target.
Speaking of which, this video is highly instructional. Notice that the defender does not act until necessary. When he does, it's decisive, but not more than the situation requires. The vertical arm bar he applies is nicely executed, applied smoothly. He's trained well in something.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
December 25th, 2011 10:10 AM
The single most important aspect of self defense is awareness. Second preparedness.
December 25th, 2011 10:50 AM
I wonder how it would go in court for the person that had to kill one of these young darlings.
A group -- usually young men or even boys as young as 12, and teenage girls in some cases -- chooses a lead attacker, then seeks out a victim.
December 25th, 2011 10:57 AM
Hopefully, the 'young darling' you speak of, wouldn't be there to testify.
Originally Posted by mlr1m
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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December 25th, 2011 11:25 AM
That would be a good thing. Nothing good happens late at night or in dark alley's. It's a pretty sad commentary on the youth of America when they get their kicks trying to kill old people. Where's Paul Kersey (Death Wish 1,2,3,4,5....) when we need him?
Originally Posted by retsupt99
December 25th, 2011 11:46 AM
Sad state of affairs...
I deal with punks like this on patrol. Unsupervised packs of thugs, unfortunately for society most of these miscreants are raised in violence. Dad (or usually whomever momma is with) beats on her, and the kids. Then these bums group together and fight each other, violence is ingrained in their life. When you have to deal with violent punks, keep your head on a swivel, assume the worst, and have a plan to ruin their day.... Trust your gut instincts, if they look like trouble then they probably are. Be safe out there friends, Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2011 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by ttowndeputy
^^^^^^^^^^WHAT you mean profile??????????^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To L with these politically correct imbiciles who say its wrong to do that.
If it walks like a thug, dresses like a thug, talks like a thug, guess what????????Its a thug until proven otherwise.
The ones that bother me are the Eddie Haskells of the world.
They on the other hand are harder to spot.
I would rather die with good men than hide with cowards
If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy."
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December 25th, 2011 01:10 PM
I hate to be a wet blanket here but, while I agree that the level of force was appropriate and timely, I have to take issue with your notion that the restraint was well executed. I watched it in slow motion and here is what I saw:
Originally Posted by shockwave
The defender used his left hand to intercept the assailant's right arm, grabbing it somewhat lower than the midpoint, but not all the way down to the wrist, and sweeping it toward the inside and down. He then makes a mistake by repositioning his grip down to the wrist just above the hand. He brings his right hand in to bend the hand down and lever the arm up. The wrist lock is compromised because his left hand around the wrist is acting as a brace limiting the lock-up of the wrist joint. In fact, I would say it was pretty useless. The assailant was not taken off balance by the wrist lock but by being pushed backward across the car. At any time he could have brought his left hand into play against the defender. Basically, the defender used two hands to do what could have been done with one, and left himself defenseless in the process. He was lucky that the assailant was cowed by his prompt aggressive behavior.
December 25th, 2011 01:15 PM
Possibly the phone video could be used against the perps if it could be found. Maybe they would post it on YouTube anyway.
Originally Posted by mlr1m
December 25th, 2011 04:06 PM
I find myself wondering often now a days how the world would be different if we had public hangings again and the schools could still use the paddle on the troublemakers there. Things sure seemed to work better back in the days when this was the norm.
Originally Posted by NYCrulesU
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