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    New York Times Article

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    OK, so they found a few bad apples. That is not good, of course, but one wonders what the percentages would have been when CCW holders as a group are compared to the population as a whole. I would guess the percentages would be much higher for the population as a whole.
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    I agree with ksholder on this, let's examine how many people as a percentage of the population have a gun with no permit that should not have one. And oh by the way, of that sub-set the number of people that should not have one is 100%, vs. the number of permit holders that should not have a gun which has to be less than 100%.

    See? Play with numbers long enough they'll tell you anything you want.
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    It seems to me that about 99% of investigative journalism is just meant to manipulate the minds of people with no critical thinking skills. The sad part is how so many people fall into this category.

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    Ah, c'mon guys. No paper will stretch the truth. Certainly not the NYT, which is based in a firearm friendly state. A person can always count on themedia to give objective coverage. I despise the media even more than lawyers and politicians. At least you know they are professional cheats and liars.
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    Numbers don't lie. According to this story, permit holders are convicted of felonies or misdemeanors at a rate of about POINT 2% per year, much less than both the state and national average. DUI convictionsare also at a mere fraction of a single percent. 1.5 gun homicides per year is also a fraction of the state and national averages. This article proves what pro-carry advocates have been saying all along--permit holders are one of the most law-abiding segments of the general population, and the statistics prove it. Thank you, New York Times.
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    Of course, you'll never see the NY Times do an "investigative" piece on how many licensed drivers who have gone through state-funded driver education courses in public schools have committed felonies and misdemeanors.

    Contrast the "problems" with a Constitutionally-protected, God-given right to defend one's self with arms, with that of the human carnage, pollution, and enormous financial burdens associated with "licensed" drivers. Gives one pause to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Numbers don't lie. According to this story, permit holders are convicted of felonies or misdemeanors at a rate of about POINT 2% per year, much less than both the state and national average. DUI convictions are also at a mere fraction of a single percent. 1.5 gun homicides per year is also a fraction of the state and national averages. This article proves what pro-carry advocates have been saying all along--permit holders are one of the most law-abiding segments of the general population, and the statistics prove it. Thank you, New York Times.
    And if we were to take the liberal approach to fixing society's ills by creating new laws, we should use the foregoing as evidence that mandating all adults get CCWs would reduce crime.
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    We all know the NY Times would never slant a story. Even if they did you can't hold them responsible, that would violate their 1A rights!
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    The most obviously glaring error is that the Times never bothers to inform the reader how many permits there are active in North Carolina, which would be an interesting number against which to compare the number of convictions and revocations. And they discount John Lott's study by simply stating that "other studies have discredited his methodology and results" without stating the why or how- or what Dr. Lott's responses to those have been. They ignore the Kleck studies altogether.

    But then, it's the NYT. What did you expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Numbers don't lie. According to this story, permit holders are convicted of felonies or misdemeanors at a rate of about POINT 2% per year, much less than both the state and national average. DUI convictionsare also at a mere fraction of a single percent. 1.5 gun homicides per year is also a fraction of the state and national averages. This article proves what pro-carry advocates have been saying all along--permit holders are one of the most law-abiding segments of the general population, and the statistics prove it. Thank you, New York Times.
    Exactly the way you wrote that should be submitted as a rebuttal to there article. Very well stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRudolph View Post
    The most obviously glaring error is that the Times never bothers to inform the reader how many permits there are active in North Carolina, which would be an interesting number against which to compare the number of convictions and revocations. And they discount John Lott's study by simply stating that "other studies have discredited his methodology and results" without stating the why or how- or what Dr. Lott's responses to those have been. They ignore the Kleck studies altogether.

    But then, it's the NYT. What did you expect?
    From the article: "Mr. Diez, as it turned out, was one of more than 240,000 people in North Carolina with a permit to carry a concealed handgun."

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    Typical NYT article. I do hope they go bankrupt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    From the article: "Mr. Diez, as it turned out, was one of more than 240,000 people in North Carolina with a permit to carry a concealed handgun."
    No offense intended SamRudolph, in fact not meaning to put down that critical miss at all but simply use it to illustrate a point:

    The amount of information that the world is getting treated to is causing a lot of errors in assimilating that information. It's easy to miss a sentence or two when you sepnd your entire day trying to read and comprehend all that's going on in the world. This is compounded by the media's mass irresponsibility in reporting things. This article is a great example; if you talked to a journalism student of 1930 or 1940 they would tell you they cringe in reading the loaded language of today's media.

    So .... we get way too much misinformation and information designed to steer us towards the writer's desired conclusion, and after a while you just get tired of reading stuff like this.
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