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    I would notify regardless of what the law is. I'm getting older and don't want to remember notify/not notify, tell them and be done with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palumbo3284 View Post
    I searched on the forum, but couldn't find anything.

    Is it appropriate or legally required to disclose to a police officer you are lawfully carrying a firearm if pulled over/stopped for something completely unrelated?

    Thanks for any info/thoughts.
    Depends on the laws of your state. Check handgunlaw.us

    If not legally required, like in VA, I do not inform. My gun, in it's holster, and I, without intent to do anyone harm, are not a threat. I'll take my ticket, thanks.

    Oh, and if stopped, my CHP won't come up when they run my IL plates, and I have an IL drivers license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    I am not required to inform in my state. I will anyway.

    I will not say, "I have a gun." I will not say "gun" at all.

    Usually, there is time from the moment the lights start flashing until the officer exits his vehicle, for me to get my wallet out, My Driver's licence, My CWP, and perhaps even my proof of insurance and registration.

    If there is not enough time for me to do those things prior to him exiting his vehicle... I will turn on my dome light or other interior lights. put my hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 after my window is down.

    As soon as he asks me for DL Registration etc. I will inform him I have a CWP, and where the weapon is, and ask how he would like me to proceed.

    Since my weapon is at 3:00, I do not want to pass it on the way to getting my wallet out, without him being aware of what I am doing.

    I am not required to do these things... The police are supposed to be here to serve and to protect, most of the time they do an exemplary job of doing just that... I don't want to add stress to his job, or make a bad night (or day) worse.

    If he's some sort of jackwagon, I'll comply with his requests anyway, since he is acting under the color of law. Afterwards, if he was offensive in his actions, I will take it up with his supervisor.

    Now is not the time to get into a constitutional argument, now is the time to get the citation, and be on my way. If the citation is bogus, that will be taken care of on my day in court.

    Most of the time, the most you'll get is a warning anyway. Based on those who have posted here before regarding such encounters.

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    CT doesn't require you to inform and I don't. A pistol permit doesn't mean that the officer will be my friend and honestly, I value my privacy. I've been pulled over three times in about a decade. I simply turn on my interior lights and hand over my license and registration. I act very courteous and cooperative. All three stops have ended with a verbal warning and I was on my way in less than 5 minutes. I don't see how informing the officer that I was carrying could have made the stop any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palumbo3284 View Post
    I searched on the forum, but couldn't find anything.
    Hard to imagine..
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    Not required in MO. The cops I know, don't want to know - they treat every stop the same so it doesn't matter. I have a non-res CCW so it doesn't get flagged with my license. I don't say anything b/c of the stories about legally carrying citizens being harassed/threatened by ignorant LEO's.

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    In Florida you are not required to. So I say why bring it up and make him nervous? Provided I already have my wallet out so it would not appear that i am going for my gun so to speak. I would only inform if asked to step out of my vehicle. I just always keep my hands on the wheel and they like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTROCK0 View Post
    As a LEO I'm always glad to have a citizen disclose when they are carying during a stop for anything. It will be disclosed anyway when the Licence ck. is done as in VA it's listed in DMV database.
    It never hurts to let a police officer know your one of the good guys and legal.
    We find enough about the other half who are not legal and still carry anyway, unfortunately sometimes the hardway.
    So you are more willing to trust, or let your guard down, because someone notifies you?

    It seems implied but may not be what you meant.

    If true, just seems to put you at more risk, not less. Just IMO.
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    This topic regularly reoccurs here. In VA there's no requirement to inform and I don't. You never know the mental state of anyone who approaches you unsolicited. An LEO may be experienced and having a great day, or they may being in the midst of a nightmare divorce with an ax to grind with the world, or they may be inexperienced and trigger happy. There are enough examples of LEOs going ballistic on legal carriers to convince me that the less said on the subject during an encounter, the better. If courtesy is an issue for some, consider that citizens are entitled to the "courtesy" accorded them by the 4th Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTROCK0 View Post
    As a LEO I'm always glad to have a citizen disclose when they are carying during a stop for anything. It will be disclosed anyway when the Licence ck. is done as in VA it's listed in DMV database.
    It never hurts to let a police officer know your one of the good guys and legal.
    In MA (or NH) that info will not come up on a driver query and there is no requirement to notify. Doing so in E. MA is most likely going to end up in a "felony stop" where you get to taste the asphalt for your "courtesy".


    Quote Originally Posted by Zsnake View Post
    Law or NOT, it's just plain common curtesy!
    See above.


    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    The easiest way to look at it is as far as I can tell there are NO states that have a law AGAINST notifying a LEO of your carry but several states that have a law saying you MUST notify.

    There's an easy answer that allows you to meet all the requirements and not break any laws.
    Sadly I disagree. This is location dependent. In MA, LEOs typically know very little about gun laws, believe that most people can't legally carry and many will react very defensively if notified.


    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Its has nothing to do with etiquette and every thing to do with the law.

    Its a simple thing. If you are required to inform, then inform.

    If not, dont worry about it. You wont go wrong by informing but if you arent required to and dont want to, then dont worry about it.


    When I teach a class, I tell them that they are bound by the laws of the state that they are in at that moment. When in doubt, inform. If its required, you're good to go. If not, it cant hurt.
    Yes, it can hurt.


    Quote Originally Posted by TBob View Post
    This topic regularly reoccurs here. In VA there's no requirement to inform and I don't. You never know the mental state of anyone who approaches you unsolicited. An LEO may be experienced and having a great day, or they may being in the midst of a nightmare divorce with an ax to grind with the world, or they may be inexperienced and trigger happy. There are enough examples of LEOs going ballistic on legal carriers to convince me that the less said on the subject during an encounter, the better. If courtesy is an issue for some, consider that citizens are entitled to the "courtesy" accorded them by the 4th Amendment.
    Agree 100 here.

    Having been stopped twice (both >15 yrs ago) while armed (and I was LE at the time, still am), I did not notify (re ccw or LE status) and everything went smoothly regardless. In one case the Boston PO that stopped me was ultra arrogant from the get-go (I'm a "yes sir, no sir" person) and I'm convinced that I would have eaten asphalt in cuffs had I notified. I was dressed in a suit, on my way to an early Sunday morning police association meeting in Boston, driving on the infamous Southeast Expressway a bit fast (broken speedometer, but probably doing 60-65 in a 55 zone).

    When I worked as a PO, I'm certain that some people I stopped for MV infractions were armed, but it was never brought up as it wasn't relevant to my job at that point. My advice when I teach firearms courses is not to notify in MA unless asked to get out of the car (only time an officer will do that in MA is for a sobriety check or you are about to be arrested). If asked to exit car, definitely notify regardless of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LenS View Post
    If asked to exit car, definitely notify regardless of the law.
    Interesting point. I've only been stopped twice in over a decade of carrying (once for verbal about crack in windshield and once for a speed warning due to inattention on my part) and was never asked to exit the vehicle. Both LEOs were professional and courteous. I'm sure that the second one pulled up my driver's license and saw my CHP info, but he never said anything about it nor did it relate to the stop. Informing if asked to exit the vehicle sounds like good advice, though. No telling what the LEO has in his/her mind at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    The easiest way to look at it is as far as I can tell there are NO states that have a law AGAINST notifying a LEO of your carry but several states that have a law saying you MUST notify.

    There's an easy answer that allows you to meet all the requirements and not break any laws.
    Know the laws where you are, and If the LEO isn't be couteous to me (happens sometime, not all) then I do not feel I need the courtesy to tell him. Just like if I only have one beer and not driving under the influence, there is no law saying to tell him, but I probably won't
    And I have heard in other threads it makes the officer feel safer and his job easier. Well, if I get pulled over at a checkpoint, he already inconvenienced me.
    Side note: a friend got pulled over, LEO was courteous and he informed he had a weapon although he did not have to. The officer had him get out of the cer, place the gun on the seat, the LEO took the SN down and called it in. No problems with it and he went on his merry way, he said never again. Took 20 minute or so.

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    As I retired from LE I can tell you only honest citizens with legal permit carrying firearms will inform you. The criminals are not required too. Also criminals can carry anywhere they want too. Does that make any sense?
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    As I retired from LE I can tell you only honest citizens with legal permit carrying firearms will inform you. The criminals are not required too. Also criminals can carry anywhere they want too. Does that make any sense?
    I am pretty sure everybody gets that point. We are not that dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    I would notify regardless of what the law is. I'm getting older and don't want to remember notify/not notify, tell them and be done with it.
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