Gun Confiscation Due to CCP Databases

[Captain5]

Greetings:

Newbie here. Question: Do you feel that your weapons are at risk as a result of your CCP being in a database the is accessible by any number of LE "agencies" ? Many of my colleagues refuse to get a CCP fearing that they would be at the front of the line for confiscation should the authorities invoke some if the anti 4th amendment policies of the recently passed Defense Authorization Act. Your thoughts?

Captain5

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[WHEC724]

Welcome to DC, Captain5.

To not exercise an essential freedom, for fear it will be taken away seems silly to me.

[barstoolguru]

No because a lot of guns are registered to people without ccp"s so there would be no difference how they would be targeted. If it did happen people with a ccp would be more reluctant to give up their gun making us more willing to fight back

[oakchas]

The "databases" in Iowa for PCW are still "manual" they are not attached to DL or Vehicle registrations... The permit in many counties is essentially a piece of paper signed by the sheriff. Some do have the plastic picture cards but not all. That's Iowa... Where "Hi Tech" can mean "We got us a pump jack in the kitchen, but we still use the outhouse."

Welcome to the forum, BTW. Now on to answer your question:

Nope, I don't worry about it. I once bought 7 handguns from 2 vendors on line, had them delivered to my local FFL. Told him I'd pick 'em up all at once... He was nervous about that, But I had talked to the BAT FEDS and I passed on the how to to him... He did have to call the sheriff to tell him I was buying 7 in one day... The sheriff never even called or nuttin.


Reminds me of the line "When you get angry enough, get your rifle and go out front. If nobody else is there with theirs, it ain't time yet."

It ain't time yet, Cap'n.

[Elk Hunter]

Colorado did away with theirs, not all the counties we adding to it.

[WD54241]

Good question, I kinda look at it this way. Yes our names are in a data base which could be used for what you suggested, however the country will have fallen by which point. I don't believe the police forces would comply with such an order if it were given. Nor do I think the Fed's would have enough man power to carry out that task. I for one will not surrender my arms! I'm not saying I'd shoot anyone trying to take them away either. But you know theres a lot of folks who wont surrender willingly! The implementations would be ugly. Good people on both sides would die as a result. I do believe our best days as a nation are behind us and I see liberty under a constant attack by socialists alive and well within our government.

[noway2]

Not all guns are registered either. Most, legal ones at least, have a paper trail but as far as a database that says who possesses what, really doesn't exist. For that matter, if I were concerned about confiscation they would be put some place they won't find them.

History has also shown that it is easier to round up disarmed citizens, so going after the armed would be unwise.

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[Ksthumper]

If someone showed up at my door I would tell them the long story about the boating accident ... or ... give them the 1896 Colt D.A. 41 with a broken firing pin that I got from an Uncle.

[gunguy82]

Imo it could go either way, ccp holders are good to go but those without get theirs taken...just my thoughts

[farronwolf]

Texas has a specific statute that prohibits it. So unless the LEO's decide to violate the law themselves, well. I am not concerened about it.

Sec. 433.0045. FIREARMS. (a) A directive issued under this chapter may not authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from an individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition.(b) A peace officer who is acting in the lawful execution of the officer's official duties during a state of emergency may disarm an individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual.(c) The peace officer shall return a firearm and any ammunition to an individual disarmed under Subsection (b) before ceasing to detain the individual unless the officer:(1) arrests the individual for engaging in criminal activity; or (2) seizes the firearm as evidence in a criminal investigation.
Added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 18, Sec. 4, eff. April 27, 2007.

There is also a federal prohibition from the same action.

Sec. 5207. Firearms policies


(a) Prohibition on confiscation of firearms

No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of
the uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under

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color of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of
any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer,
employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from a
major disaster or emergency, may--
(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of,
any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal,
State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with
Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;
(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration
is not required by Federal, State, or local law;
(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any rule,
regulation, or order prohibiting possession of any firearm, in any
place or by any person where such possession is not otherwise
prohibited by Federal, State, or local law; or
(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person otherwise
authorized to carry firearms under Federal, State, or local law,
solely because such person is operating under the direction,
control, or supervision of a Federal agency in support of relief
from the major disaster or emergency.

I don't think that LEO's would buy into any order to go around confiscating firearms from law abiding citizens. After having to stare down a few barrels they might find more useful things to do.

[datanet2]

Farronwolf- sadly, it's already been violated...check the tapes on Katrina events in Louisiana . There are numerous videos on YouTube and google that show authorities (fed and local) confiscating weapons from homeowners that were merely hunkered-down at their home as well as residents that were trying to evacuate with some of their essential property (like their guns---in carrying cases no less). The authorities were, by my opinion, completely outside the rule of law and constitutional rights to do what was documented.

Sad display for our country!

[Sturmruger]

I used to be kind of paranoid about this type of situation but once I learned a little more about how our country works and how easy it is for the NRA to block this type of situation I got a lot less paranoid.

[farronwolf]

Farronwolf- sadly, it's already been violated...check the tapes on Katrina events in Louisiana . There are numerous videos on YouTube and google that show authorities (fed and local) confiscating weapons from homeowners that were merely hunkered-down at their home as well as residents that were trying to evacuate with some of their essential property (like their guns---in carrying cases no less). The authorities were, by my opinion, completely outside the rule of law and constitutional rights to do what was documented.

Sad display for our country!

This portion of legislation was passed by both Texas and the US after Katrina. So as of today, this particular legislation has not been violated as far as I know.

[Mike1956]

There is certainly a historically-based cause for concern. Our own government mandated an entirely-disarmed German citizenry from 1945 until 1956.

[jem102]

No.