States NOT honoring "non-resident" permits???

States NOT honoring "non-resident" permits???

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    States NOT honoring "non-resident" permits???

    As most of you know some states (I believe there are five) will not honor non-resident permits even though they have receprocity with that particular state.

    For example, Florida wont honor a Texas permit if the Texas permit holder is not a resident of the great state of Texas. Why is that? I would think if a person qualifies, and has a Texas permit, then that person should be good to go in Florida if they live in Houston or live in Tulsa, OK. The Texas permit satisfies Florida enough to have a reciprocity agreement .... and yet the permit holder must reside in Texas.

    Colorado, Michigan.... and a few others take the same approach as Florida does. Why is this? Is it simply a revenue generator for FL??

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    That's just the way the law was written in Florida. No idea why.

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    FL, ME, MI, NH, and SC. It's not a revenue generatar...completely...since MI and SC don't issue non-resident permits.

    I think it's pretty hypocritical of FL to be one of the largest issuers of non-resident permits to not actually honor non-resident permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastDraw View Post
    As most of you know some states (I believe there are five) will not honor non-resident permits even though they have receprocity with that particular state.

    For example, Florida wont honor a Texas permit if the Texas permit holder is not a resident of the great state of Texas. Why is that? I would think if a person qualifies, and has a Texas permit, then that person should be good to go in Florida if they live in Houston or live in Tulsa, OK. The Texas permit satisfies Florida enough to have a reciprocity agreement .... and yet the permit holder must reside in Texas.

    Colorado, Michigan.... and a few others take the same approach as Florida does. Why is this? Is it simply a revenue generator for FL??

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    I suppose it could be a revenue source for FL to make people buy FL non-res. permits.
    The other logic is;people should get home state permits first and then non-res permits if the home state permit is not honored in enough places.
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    Living in Michigan must awesome when it comes to conceal carry permits. Their permit is honored everywhere except for the gun-unfriendly states on the left-coast and the northeast. You have the Michigan permit-you have them all basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleShtr View Post
    Living in Michigan must awesome when it comes to conceal carry permits. Their permit is honored everywhere except for the gun-unfriendly states on the left-coast and the northeast. You have the Michigan permit-you have them all basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastDraw View Post
    Colorado, Michigan.... and a few others take the same approach as Florida does. Why is this?
    In the case of Colorado, the cause was loss of revenue: because nonrez permits including UT were recognized in CO, many CO residents were getting the $65 UT nonrez permit instead of the $152 CO permit. The Democrats took over the state House, Senate, and Governor's office and managed to pass the limited-recognition bill. It was actually aimed at CO residents but affects everyone else, unfortunately.
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    I heard talk of the same thing happening in Texas. Down there you have to pay$75-$100 for a class and then $140 for the permit. There's been a big ruckus because many people were going and getting Utah permits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    FL, ME, MI, NH, and SC. It's not a revenue generatar...completely...since MI and SC don't issue non-resident permits.

    I think it's pretty hypocritical of FL to be one of the largest issuers of non-resident permits to not actually honor non-resident permits.
    Well, does Florida recognize it's OWN non-resident permits , if they don't recognize non-resident permits? All would depend upon how the law is written. If it says it will not honor "any non-resident" permits, even their own would technically not work in Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    does Florida recognize it's OWN non-resident permits , if they don't recognize non-resident permits?
    Florida issues the same permit (through a single application and fee process) to residents and non-residents, so there is no such separate legal entity as a Florida non-resident permit. My FL permit is recognized when I go to Florida, just like the FL permit of a Miami native.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    FL, ME, MI, NH, and SC. It's not a revenue generatar...completely...since MI and SC don't issue non-resident permits.

    I think it's pretty hypocritical of FL to be one of the largest issuers of non-resident permits to not actually honor non-resident permits.
    I have to agree with you.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by remington79 View Post
    I heard talk of the same thing happening in Texas. Down there you have to pay$75-$100 for a class and then $140 for the permit. There's been a big ruckus because many people were going and getting Utah permits.
    Hope this is not true....... I certainly like Utah's approach to concealed carry AND their approach to reciprocity.

    If I'm not mistaken I think New Mexico stopped their reciprocity with Utah because people were getting Utah permits instead of NM's. Who knows maybe all states will soon adopt the a stance that FL, CO and others have taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Florida issues the same permit (through a single application and fee process) to residents and non-residents, so there is no such separate legal entity as a Florida non-resident permit. My FL permit is recognized when I go to Florida, just like the FL permit of a Miami native.
    My Pennsylvania permit doesn't distinguish, either, but my Ohio address on it is a dead giveaway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    In the case of Colorado, the cause was loss of revenue: because nonrez permits including UT were recognized in CO, many CO residents were getting the $65 UT nonrez permit instead of the $152 CO permit. The Democrats took over the state House, Senate, and Governor's office and managed to pass the limited-recognition bill. It was actually aimed at CO residents but affects everyone else, unfortunately.
    That's not quite how I interpret it in Colorado. I think it's simply that Colorado wants Colorado residents to have a Colorado permit. Makes sense to me. No different than requiring Colorado residents to get a Colorado drivers license. Maybe it is about the money (it usually is), who knows.

    I agree that it was probably not intended to have an effect on non-residents of Colorado.

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    The reason they stated in Colorado was the fact that CO residents that didn't qualify (felon, DV, etc) were getting out of state non-res CCWs (UT, FL). They kept saying the CO residents were going to WY to get a permtt when they didn't qual for a CO CCW. I didn't even think WY issued non-res. I think it was a total joke. When I sent my paper work for FL they required the exact same as CO (training, fingerprints and a NAC). I also have a NV CCW, it is lie FL in that it isn't really a non-res, its just a NV permint issued by LVMPD and my address happens to be in CO. I had to shoot both revolver and semi-auto for the NV. What I hate is the states that give me no way of obtaining a permit. For example, SC, OR, CA, and the non-issues. I would get a MA permit and pay the money if I went to MA on a regular basis. CO should require CO residents to have a CO CCW first and then honor non-res for non-CO folks. This has bound to hurt the tourism in CO.

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