i think im going to carry at work.. wwyd?
This is a discussion on i think im going to carry at work.. wwyd? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The fact that you are even asking, considering the law, your job and your own actions kicking out the other guy, kinda surprises me.
January 17th, 2012 08:52 PM
The fact that you are even asking, considering the law, your job and your own actions kicking out the other guy, kinda surprises me.
It doesn't reflect well on your judgement. Don't be the test case that gets CCW repealed in your state.
January 17th, 2012 09:18 PM
Ya know, it's my sig line.... CAN'T... but listen... I don't carry where it is illegal to do so.... I don't carry in schools, I don't carry on USPS property. Our state law is preemtive, and the little localities and counties are trying to get around it... And, they really can't get around it legally, BUT I don't carry where municipalities and counties have posted either...
I believe in my rights, I fight for them through channels supporting efforts to strengthen the preemption law, etc. BUT, MY POCKETS ARE NOT DEEP ENOUGH TO BE THE test CASE, even when I know I am legally right. And, Jerp, I don't think yours are either...
If signage in WI carries the force of law, and I were in a high risk job, like say a stop and rob.... I'd quit the job before I'd risk losing my rights, being "criminalized" by wrong laws, and perhaps spending time in prison. If it's just a "policy" with no LEGAL repercussions... then the decision can be made... But not criminally... That is not what CCrs are about.
It could be worse!
January 17th, 2012 09:35 PM
I'd look into an employer change.
You gotta ask yourself, is it worth the risk if something goes wrong? Can you identify the risks? They might be more severe than termination of employment...
Trust in God and keep your powder dry
"A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government." -source
January 17th, 2012 09:48 PM
How about talking with management? Voice your concerns and ideas. Maybe they will agree with you. Then you can get the license you need and carry on the job.
Shall not be infringed means - shall not be infringed.
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January 17th, 2012 10:06 PM
Another vote for change of work.
Just like one of the rules of concealed carry,remove yourself from the situation.In your case you need to remove yourself from this situation before you do something totally unlawful.
January 17th, 2012 11:11 PM
I think SIXTO makes a great point in that your situation is more unique than most other cases. Being a security guard, bringing a gun when you are filling an unarmed billet would be something they'd love to break off in your rear.
Get an armed commission or find another job.
As far as the anti's are concerned, I don't care much for what they think. It's not their life on the line. There have been numerous cases where employee's have carried and used a gun to save their life during a robbery even though it was against company policy. Some lost their job, and some didn't. But none of them went to jail or were prosecuted because their shooting incidents were justified self defense. I haven't seen any of the cases I've read about making much of an impact with the anti-gun crowd when the cases are reported in local newspapers and TV.
One of the most recent cases was a coffee shop employee for Dutch Brothers Coffee in Oregon. He shot and killed an armed robber who had a shotgun. Employee handbook and all employees knew guns were against company policy. Corporate office not only didn't fire him, but gave him time off with pay and offered to pay for professional counseling if he needed it. They also said they would re-evaluate their corporate policy about no weapons for employees.
Dutch Bros. barista shoots, kills robber in Eugene
Originally Posted by oregonlive.com
Barista who shot robber put on paid leave
Originally Posted by KGW.com
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
January 18th, 2012 02:45 AM
I agree with what everyone else is saying. Just wanted to add that in WI carrying when it is against company policy will get you a free ride to jail and no $200. Not only signs but verbal statements and company policy carry the weight of law as they are all means of informing you of the position of the property owner. While in some states CAN'T may work for you here it will cost you your permit, possibly your gun and future ability to purchase guns, as well as a criminal record and hearty fine.
January 18th, 2012 03:03 AM
You've been persistently discussing this subject now so it has to be really bothering you. So heres what you do...while looking for another job, go online and buy an ultrafire flashlight, some of them run about 260 lumens. They cost around 100 bucks but im sure you could find one cheaper used. Flashlights are one of the most underrated, and in your case, "legal" weapons you can carry on the job.
Don't underestimate how affective smashing someone in the face with a metal flashlight while the power of the sun is shining in their eyes can be.
"When that gun comes out of that holster; it's business time." -Chris Costa
January 18th, 2012 05:29 AM
Nothing different from any other day. This is one of the top three "Sky is Falling" mantras from the antis.
Originally Posted by jerp
You are a security guard. Don't be a "wanna be LEO". Be polite, courteous, and don't escalate a situation. Step back, take a deep breath and think about it. You caught one guy that did not conceal all that well and walked past a sign, likely unknowingly. No telling how many others have walked past that you did not know about. If all of a sudden that little fact bothers you, then yes, you need to find a different type of employment track.
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A person who is incapable of independent thought; a person who is herd animal-like in behavior; one who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; a foolish person.
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January 18th, 2012 06:19 AM
Without reading every reply IMO this is really a very simple straightforward thread. You want the job or you do not. You CC and it is not policy, I would fire your yada yada---case closed. What ifs mean nothing.
January 18th, 2012 07:31 AM
If you believe in personal self-defense enough to carry a gun, you should be looking for another line of work NOW. There are many jobs that statistically have a higher likelihod of danger and violence. Yours is a such a job.
I understand that not everyone can or wants to be a PhD or CEO, but if you are working as a convenience store clerk, an unarmed security guard, ghetto property manager, or bouncer, you need to be preparing yourself to move into a safer role in life.
Neitzsche once said, "Either you reach a higher point today, or you exercise your strength in order to be able to climb higher tomorrow."
You're dealing with the symptoms of your security and safety issues, you're not treating the cause. Some of the best self-defense techniques you can use are studying and going to night school if necessary to better yourself. You'll live in nicer (safer) neighborhoods, your kids will go to better (safer) schools, you can afford better justice, and you'll be in a class of people who get better treatment from "the system".
January 18th, 2012 07:44 AM
I advise against it. I work security over night at a hospital. No guns allowed but the sign has no legal backing. But since I work here, I'd be fired if I carried here. It sucks but thats the way it is. Maybe things will change when some lunatic comes in here and starts shooting.
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January 18th, 2012 07:59 AM
Around here we call that ..........'' the pot calling the kettle black '' .... not to mention from what i have read it is totally against the law. Would definatly look for employment elsewhere......before i risked my right to carry, going to jail, and having a record over something like that....talk with your emplyer, if you feel that strongly, I am assuming you work for a security firm, and ask if they will help get you the training required to carry and ask if there are any jobs or locations where carry is allowed.
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
I asked my stock broker the other day, what I should be investing in ....his reply, canned goods n ammo !!!
January 18th, 2012 08:15 AM
Ditto to all of the "don't do it" folks above.
But here's another take to add to it: evaluate the likelihood of a bad thing happening to you while unarmed at work (risk1) and the effect it would have on your family (imact1). Sure, we can all imagine such a scenario and it would be a bummer for all concerned, but it really is pretty unlikely. NOW... evaluate the likelihood of your being discovered as carrying (risk2), losing your job and going to jail for breaking the law and the effect THAT would have on your family (impact2).
risk1 x imact1 should be evaluated against risk2 x impact2
In this case, the scales tilt towards your being a BETTER protector and provider for your family if you keep your job and keep feeding them.
Of course, you could change the equation neatly by getting another job and removing the risk of being a security guard. But that risk x impact approach might be of help as you make your decision.
(of course it's really probability1 x scenario1 x impact1, but you get the idea.)
January 18th, 2012 08:31 AM
Paymeister makes a great point. Allow me to add that you can also transfer some of that risk by buying solid life insurance. If you do get whacked on the job, your family will have the money to continue their lives in safety and relative comfort.
Far too many people live life like they're never going to die, and die like they never lived.
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