Positive LEO encounter
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January 19th, 2012 03:15 PM
Positive LEO encounter
I live in a rural area on a former dairy farm. I have a barn on my property and it is not practical to lock it. Recently we had a few items stolen and I made a police report.
When the officer arrived I explained that I knew nothing could be done to return my property, but I wanted to file a report in case it would help. The officer was polite and I listed the items that were missing (2 gas full gas cans, some camping equipment, etc).
I'm never sure how LEO will respond to the topic of concealed carry, but as we were finishing up I mentioned that I have a CCW and... He cut me off in mid sentence and said "then you should ALWAYS have your firearm with you while you are on your property, NO exceptions". He was very forceful in making this statement. He proceeded to tell me that in times past the suburbs were considered more dangerous than the country, but now that has changed. He looked around and said " you are all alone out here, and our station is 20 minutes away. We might be nearby, or we migh be tied up and you won't see us for nearly an hour, the criminals know that"
So then I asked him how an officer would feel if he arrived at my house and found me holding a thief at gun point. (the problem in my mind is that this is not technically grounds for lethal force). The officer pointed to my house, my land, and my barn and replied that all this was my property and my kingdom. He said that I had the right and the obligation to protect it. Then he paused and said "now if we show up and you've shot someone in the back you've got trouble, but if you are holding him at gun point when we arrive you need to tell us that you were afraid for your life, you didn't know what was in his pockets, you were afraid he was going to head for the house where your wife and children were, and that he acted like we was about to make a quick move". I remember this last part vividly and it seared in my mind. He was giving me a script of what to say.
I hope I never find myself in that situation, but if I do I hope that is the officer that arrives at my house.
January 19th, 2012 03:19 PM
Good for you! We need more LEO's like this. More to make sure that the law biding CC citizens are taken care of.
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January 19th, 2012 03:22 PM
Good. A caring and understanding LEO. He understands realities.
January 19th, 2012 03:25 PM
Sorry about your theft, but excellent out come just in advice alone.. Sounded like he is definitely pro chl...
January 19th, 2012 03:43 PM
I love it when LEO's know who the good guys are and then treat you like one.
January 19th, 2012 03:55 PM
Sounds like me when I was active LEO, this didn't happen 40 years ago did it?
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January 19th, 2012 04:07 PM
Good advice from a good LEO. Motion detection cameras and lights can show lots of interesting stuff. For argument's sake. If a BG held at gunpoint takes off running, is he still a threat?
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January 19th, 2012 04:40 PM
I agree. Some of those solar powered spotlights are pretty powerful.
Motion detection cameras and lights can show lots of interesting stuff.
I'd say, No - unless he was running toward my home or a family member. Simply running away? Let him go, imo.
If a BG held at gunpoint takes off running, is he still a threat?
Awesome cop, by the way.
January 19th, 2012 05:13 PM
If you've never tried to hold a criminal at gun point,much less a crook under the influence of Narcotics you will be surprised.At first they may comply,but then they start trying to think a way out of this situation,Drug Addicts that are tweaking don't think rationally,at some point he may convince himself you won't shoot and get up and run away.But what if theres 2 or 3 and they start trying to work around to where if you shoot one,the other 2 can get to you before you can react,remember the 21 foot rule they may be armed with knives.Keep your distance,and be prepared to shoot if you feel threatened
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January 19th, 2012 05:21 PM
Good encounter and great LEO. I wish we had more like him/her.
January 19th, 2012 05:33 PM
Amen and thanks for sharing.
I've had both good and bad encounters, but more good than bad.
Too many forums paint cops as the bad guys. For the most part these guys and gals do a tough, dangerous and frustrating job and deserve respect.
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January 19th, 2012 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by dukalmighty
the longer you have a gun out, the harder it is to put it away...
from 'their' POV, if you have not shot them straight away--time is on their side as you may make a mistake, get distracted/startled; meanwhile slowly they maneuver
until you can no longer cover all 3, infact...you have a gun and are surrounded.
sometimes we must put aside the notion of right and wrong and let the nogoodniks run.
it is also much less expensive ( $wise and mentally) letting them leave--with a nice warning, rather than ventilating them.
---and how the LEO spoke is very true
along with response time is the habit of carrying, and than choosing to sometimes not carry may yield a situation where some peoples are about you, and you are handling yourself on a subconscious level as if you are armed and should it come down to your actually needing it...and you do not have it;
it could well be the last mistake you ever make.
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January 19th, 2012 07:30 PM
Sounds like SIXTO is giving out good advice again.
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January 19th, 2012 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by archer51
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Thats just what I was thinking^^^^^^^^^^^^
Was Sixto lost down south for the day or what?????
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January 19th, 2012 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by claude clay
AMEN to that. we need to be used to carrying and have proper training time with our edc's. "better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it right?"
My LEO uncle tells me in MA, it's a completely different story because the law's are sort of against us (lethal force situations) but i guess it depends on the LEO and the Judge.
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