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    A small victory...

    For those not familiar with Wisconsin legislation, businesses are able to post a sign saying no concealed weapons are allowed.

    I live and work in Madison Wisconsin. There is a restaurant that I used to visit frequently, and then one day I saw the sign saying I couldn't carry in their building.

    Now, I don't carry when I'm at work because I can't due to my employer. But still, it bugged me. The restaurant is owned by a larger group (Food Fight Inc.) who operates many, many, restaurants in the Madison area. Below is an email conversation that I had with the corporate office.


    ________________________________________
    > From: Me
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:13 PM
    > To: info@foodfightinc.com
    > Subject: Store Signage
    >
    > Good afternoon,
    >
    > I noticed this afternoon when visiting one of your establishments that
    > there was a sign indicating no concealed weapons were allowed on the
    > property.
    >
    > I was hoping you could clarify whether or not the decision is made by
    > a member of management at the location, or if Food Fight Incorporated
    > has taken that as a general stance.
    >
    > Thank you.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    ****


    On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Alex ****** <Alex@foodfightinc.com> wrote:
    > Hi *****,
    > Food Fight did not take that as a general stance, we asked each of our restaurants to make that decision. If you have specific questions or concerns you are always welcome to share them with me.
    >
    > thank you,
    >
    > Alex ******
    > Marketing Director
    > Food Fight Restaurant Group
    > phone:
    > Food Fight Home Page
    >
    >

    From: Me
    Hi Alex,

    Thank you for your reply. I'm glad to hear that you, as a company,
    have not taken that as a general stance. I can't think of a single
    negative experience I've had at any of your restaurants.

    I am an avid supporter of second amendment rights, and I feel
    obligated to no longer do business with companies that infringe on my
    constitutional right to bear arms.

    I would like to let your company know that I will not do business with
    anyone that has that particular sign, regardless of whether or not I
    am carrying a concealed weapon. I realize that the amount of business
    I do (or any one person) makes no real impact to your bottom line. I
    am not the only one that feels this way. There are online communities
    that house lists/databases of companies that post these signs.

    Do you have a comprehensive list of your establishments that do have
    that sign that I can reference when making future lunch/dinner plans?

    Thank you,

    ***** *********
    _______________________




    I noticed today when going to lunch, that the restaurant that spawned this email chain had taken down its conceal carry signs. I consider this a small personal victory and will continue to take this course of action with all businesses.
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    Well done. That next lunch there is going to taste even better.
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    Next time you eat there I would thank the manager or owner if possible.
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    That is a small victory. And large victories are made up of lots of small victories. Well done.

    One thing I usually add to my emails to businesses that post 30.06 signs in Texas is something to the effect of "as a concealed carry licensee, I have been background checked and finger printed, and found to have no felonies ever, and no class A or B misdemeanors in the past 7 years, basically nothing other than a speeding ticket. How much do you know about your other patrons? Am I the type of person you want to keep out of your establishment? The posting of a 30.06 sign will not stop someone who intends to do you or your establishment harm, only keep out law-abiding citizens such as myself; is this your intent?"

    I usually get back something to the effect of: "I was not aware of the requirements for a concealed carry licensee in the state of Texas. I/the owner, etc only intend to keep our restaurant (establishment, etc) a safe and enjoyable place for our patrons"

    And more often than not, they remove the sign if they have the power to. Gotta love the almighty power of the wallet!

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    Well done indeed. A thank you to the manager would be in order.

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    Do these signs carry any weight of law in WI? We just ignore them in Indiana.
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    Yes they carry weight of the law, or so i have read..
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    To achieve this "small" victory in one of the more liberal areas in the country is no "small" accomplishment. Congrats and well done.
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    Well done. It's a great feeling to win a victory like this.
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    Good job! This is encouraging to me to do the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC9 View Post
    For those not familiar with Wisconsin legislation, businesses are able to post a sign saying no concealed weapons are allowed.

    I live and work in Madison Wisconsin. There is a restaurant that I used to visit frequently, and then one day I saw the sign saying I couldn't carry in their building.

    Now, I don't carry when I'm at work because I can't due to my employer. But still, it bugged me. The restaurant is owned by a larger group (Food Fight Inc.) who operates many, many, restaurants in the Madison area. Below is an email conversation that I had with the corporate office.


    ________________________________________
    > From: Me
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:13 PM
    > To: info@foodfightinc.com
    > Subject: Store Signage
    >
    > Good afternoon,
    >
    > I noticed this afternoon when visiting one of your establishments that
    > there was a sign indicating no concealed weapons were allowed on the
    > property.
    >
    > I was hoping you could clarify whether or not the decision is made by
    > a member of management at the location, or if Food Fight Incorporated
    > has taken that as a general stance.
    >
    > Thank you.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    ****


    On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Alex ****** <Alex@foodfightinc.com> wrote:
    > Hi *****,
    > Food Fight did not take that as a general stance, we asked each of our restaurants to make that decision. If you have specific questions or concerns you are always welcome to share them with me.
    >
    > thank you,
    >
    > Alex ******
    > Marketing Director
    > Food Fight Restaurant Group
    > phone:
    > Food Fight Home Page
    >
    >

    From: Me
    Hi Alex,

    Thank you for your reply. I'm glad to hear that you, as a company,
    have not taken that as a general stance. I can't think of a single
    negative experience I've had at any of your restaurants.

    I am an avid supporter of second amendment rights, and I feel
    obligated to no longer do business with companies that infringe on my
    constitutional right to bear arms.

    I would like to let your company know that I will not do business with
    anyone that has that particular sign, regardless of whether or not I
    am carrying a concealed weapon. I realize that the amount of business
    I do (or any one person) makes no real impact to your bottom line. I
    am not the only one that feels this way. There are online communities
    that house lists/databases of companies that post these signs.

    Do you have a comprehensive list of your establishments that do have
    that sign that I can reference when making future lunch/dinner plans?

    Thank you,

    ***** *********
    _______________________




    I noticed today when going to lunch, that the restaurant that spawned this email chain had taken down its conceal carry signs. I consider this a small personal victory and will continue to take this course of action with all businesses.


    bro that's a huge victory - excellent work my friend!!!!!!!!!!!

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