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    Federal , State Laws re: registration.......

    hope this is not in the wrong place - does anyone else wonder if the registration papers used for purchasing from an FFL will someday be used to confiscate firearms ?

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    Well they say they will never use them. But that is the same people that said SS number will never be used for anything but your account. And so many other things I do not trust them one bit.
    If they were not planning to use them why would they keep them?

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    There are no registration papers for most guns on the Federal level unless purchasing more than one handgun from the same dealer within a period of five business days. The records of sale (Form 4473) are kept at the stores where they are sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    There are no registration papers for most guns on the Federal level unless purchasing more than one handgun from the same dealer within a period of five business days. The records of sale (Form 4473) are kept at the stores where they are sold.
    And the FBI certainly would not keep records of the 4473s that are called in - would they???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    And the FBI certainly would not keep records of the 4473s that are called in - would they???
    FBI doesn't even process background checks in all states, Tennessee for example. The FBI is not even notified who purchases what in Tennessee.

    Additionally, in some states, Florida for example, there isn't even a background check done on carry permit holders.
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    Hey, c'mon. If we can't trust the government, then who can we trust?
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    Anything is possible. Just because you purchased a gun and filled out a 4473 doesn't mean you still own the gun, so the paperwork is really not much use.
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    There are bigger 'fish to fry' in my life...I don't worry about the paperwork to buy a gun causing gun confiscation down the road.
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    "[ in some states, Florida for example, there isn't even a background check done on carry permit holders]"

    Wrong^^^^^^^^^^Just skips the 3 day wait ; ) PS They run a NICS check from FDLE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    There are no registration papers for most guns on the Federal level unless purchasing more than one handgun from the same dealer within a period of five business days. The records of sale (Form 4473) are kept at the stores where they are sold.
    But if the store closes all 4473s are to be sent to the BATF.

    13. Upon termination of a license, the FFL must provide an American Standard Code for
    Information Interchange (ASCII) text file (in conformity with industry standards) and
    a file description, in addition to printouts of all records, to the ATF Out-of-Business
    Records Center. The printout and ASCII text file must contain the information as
    prescribed by regulation. All records must be forwarded to the ATF Out-of-Business
    Records Center in accordance with 27 CFR 478.127, including complete printouts,
    and ASCII text file (and file description) of the A&D records, and all ATF Forms
    4473.
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    OH .. . here we go again ...

    * Some states (like here) you can buy a gun and if you have a CC license, a NICS check is NOT done. You got one when you were checked for the CC permit.
    * NICS checks, does not provide them with 'any' information on the gun you are purchasing or thinking of purchasing.
    * FFL"s are required to keep the paperwork for only so long and can then destroy it. Yes, if they shut down their business they have to send the ATF the paperwork they have for that time period (not the FBI) and it can be stored. It is against the law for them to turn it into any computerized info and / or any type of database. Yes, they could violate the law, but ... it really doesn't happen that often anyway.

    * there is no record that you did a personal sale to John Doe down the street 3 yrs ago. (1 reason Bloomberg & Co want all private sales stopped and require NICS checks, a 4473, etc.).

    * Some states, do have "firearm permits" and have in essence developed a "record" of who has what guns, since the guns have to be registered guns. This is the Nanny / Big Brother states that people need to fight .... New York, New Jersey, etc.

    * Can you imagine how many guns have been inherited, where they went, and if they were sold or not.... and how many times thru some generations ?
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    I guess they could try, but there was this tragic boating accident. Everything was lost.
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