Texas 30.06 Sign

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    Texas 30.06 Sign

    There is a good discussion about the Arkansas signage...I'd like to expand on it for Texas CHL holders. My instructor said we could ignore the improper signs. I understand about trespassing. Here is my thought about the 30.06...the language of the sign seems to only prohibit licensed carriers. Maybe that's because the unlicensed BG's will ignore any sign?

    I look at the "no guns" signs like this...if its a "gunbusters" sign, its intended for the people that carry illegally. They are probably going to ignore it. If the businessowner post the proper sign that prohibits licensed carriers, the BG's are going to ignore it too, and the good guys are probably going to honor it, so the only guys in the store with guns will be the BG's. Right now, I tend to think the "gunbusters" sign was put there by a business owner that understands the law and does not want to put up a sign that prohibits licensed carriers. I'm naive I guess.
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    If the sign is not in accordance with 30.06, with the exact language and lettering requirements, then it can be ignored. It also must be posted at every entrance to be effective.

    PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

    "PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE(CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

    "CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR
    PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL
    SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE
    PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO
    UN ARMA DE FUEGO."

    PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY
    CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if
    the license holder:
    (1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
    411, Government Code, on property of another without effective
    consent; and
    (2) received notice that:
    TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS PC §42.01 31
    (A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
    handgun was forbidden; or
    (B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
    forbidden and failed to depart.
    (b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the
    owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the
    owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
    (c) In this section:
    (1) "Entry" has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
    (2) "License holder" has the meaning assigned by Section
    46.035(f).
    (3) "Written communication" means:
    (A) a card or other document on which is written language
    identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
    (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
    licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed
    handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
    handgun"; or
    (B) a sign posted on the property that:
    (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
    English and Spanish;
    (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least
    one inch in height; and
    (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to
    the public.
    (d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
    (e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property
    on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased
    by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which
    the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under
    Section 46.03 or 46.035.
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    I make it a point to not patronize those locations that post the 30.06 signage. As for the gunbuster signs I just ignore them and go about my business.

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    What's a Class A misdemeanor? A simple ticket/fine or jail?

    In other words, even with the sign posted if you conceal and enter, what are the consequences if caught?

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    Whats that funky language you've got printed there ? Since we are in America where the official language is ENGLISH...there ougt to be a law against printing any other language in a Penal Code.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hsuCowboy98 View Post
    If the sign is not in accordance with 30.06, with the exact language and lettering requirements, then it can be ignored. It also must be posted at every entrance to be effective.
    Exactly. Whether one chooses to respect or ignore a sign that does not conform to the legal requirements is ones personal decision.

    If one ignores a non-conforming sign, I believe, as a layman, the "act" may be considered trespassing, and one is obligated to leave at the request of the owner or manager, but without any risk of legal charges if one so follows said owners or managers request. Akin to being asked to leave a business if you have no shirt or shoes on, and they have the typical "Dog Patch" "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" signage..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Whats that funky language you've got printed there ? Since we are in America where the official language is ENGLISH...there ougt to be a law against printing any other language in a Penal Code.
    Do we have an official language? I've always been under the impression that the US has no official language.

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    at the rate we are going,in another 10 years it'll probably be Spanish..
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Whew, that's what I studied in high school.

    If it's French, I'm screwed...

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    I will not give my money to someone who posts the 30.06 sign. And I will also not carry anywhere these signs are posted, its just too risky. But the non legal signs are exactly that, they have no legality and therefore are just a piece of paper to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceRider View Post
    What's a Class A misdemeanor? A simple ticket/fine or jail?

    In other words, even with the sign posted if you conceal and enter, what are the consequences if caught?
    Forfeiture of your license. Not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by '75scout View Post
    I will not give my money to someone who posts the 30.06 sign.
    Sometimes it's not that simple, even though we all wish it was.

    The Hopsital Cancer Center I am taking my radiation treatments at is clearly posted with 30.06 signs and they are as legal as they can be. In this instance, I'm more interested in surviving cancer than carrying a weapon. Besides, as sick as I have been, I don't have any business with a weapon anyway.
    Last edited by DaveT; August 25th, 2006 at 09:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride4TheBrand View Post
    Forfeiture of your license. Not worth it.
    Within the last year someone walked into a hospital here and shot and killed his ex wife then walked out. You still think it's not worth it? I would gladly lose my license for 90 days (first offense) to keep that from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one eyed fatman View Post
    Within the last year someone walked into a hospital here and shot and killed his ex wife then walked out. You still think it's not worth it? I would gladly lose my license for 90 days (first offense) to keep that from happening.
    If you choose to carry a concealed weapon in an establishment in Texas which has legally posted a 30.06 sign, then you Sir, are a criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride4TheBrand View Post
    If you choose to carry a concealed weapon in an establishment in Texas which has legally posted a 30.06 sign, then you Sir, are a criminal.
    I reckon he'd rather be alive than innocent.
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