Dallas Texas Cheer Competition

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    Dallas Texas Cheer Competition

    I'm in Dallas for a big cheer competition at the Dallas Convention Center. Looking at Texas CCW laws I'm unsure if it's ok to carry and it really makes me nervous walking that area at night. I don't think the convention center is a problem but is this event off limits? Can't decide if it qualifies under the sporting events sections.

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    Better check with the local authorities or lawyer about that since no-one here will be spending time in jail/court with you if wrong.
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    Give me a minute, and I will find the laws you should be familiar with. The main thing you are looking for is what we call a 30.06 sign. For sporting events, it is high school and professional. I'll post so you can read in a few.

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    Here's the 30.06 statute. If the wording is not exactly the same, it is not a 30.06 warning. The part in bold must be in English and Spanish.

    PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
    (1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent;
    and (2) received notice that:
    (A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
    handgun was forbidden; or
    (B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
    forbidden and failed to depart.
    (b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner
    of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
    (c) In this section:
    (1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
    (2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f). (3) “Written communication” means:
    (A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
    (B) a sign posted on the property that:
    (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
    English and Spanish;
    (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one
    inch in height; and
    public. (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the
    (d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
    (e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

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    Here's the places where weapons are prohibited. Rather than just tell you, I prefer to post the statute so you can see for yourself. You should be OK since it is a private event as long as there is not a 30.06 sign. Things that could apply during your visit: no bars (look for a sign that has 51% in red if you have a question, more than 50% of rev is from alcohol), no interscholastic, schools, or professional sports. Interscholastic should mean schools represented and competing.

    PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
    (1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
    (2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
    (3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
    (4) on the premises of a racetrack; or
    (5) in or into a secured area of an airport.
    (6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is
    designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
    (A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
    (B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
    (b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.
    (c) In this section:
    (1) “Premises” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
    (2) “Secured area” means an area of an airport terminal building to
    which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.
    (d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:
    (1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;
    (2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or
    (3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Private Security
    Board if:
    (A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
    (B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or
    (4) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under Chapter 1702, Occupations Code, provided that the officer is
    either:(A) wearing the uniform of a security officer, including any uniform or apparel described by Section 1702.323(d), Occupations Code, and carrying the officer's firearm in plain view; or
    (B) not wearing the uniform of a security officer and carrying the officer's firearm in a concealed manner.
    (e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.
    (f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
    (g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
    (h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:
    (1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and (2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
    (i) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(6) that the actor possessed a firearm or club:
    (1) while in a vehicle being driven on a public road; or (2) at the actor's residence or place of employment.

    PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
    (b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
    (1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
    (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
    (3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
    (4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
    (5) in an amusement park; or
    (6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
    (c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a govern- mental entity.
    (d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
    (e) A license holder who is licensed as a security officer under Chapter 1702, Occupations Code, and employed as a security officer commits an offense if, while in the course and scope of the security officer's employment, the security officer violates a provision of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
    (f) In this section:
    (1) “Amusement park” means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
    (2) “License holder” means a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
    (3) “Premises” means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
    (g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.
    (h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.

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    Thanks. Number 2 highlighted is what I wonder applies to this.

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    You should be Ok since it is not the SR & JR High School Nationals. It looks like it is just private teams not representing JR or SR High Schools.

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    I think it is ok unless it is posted with 30.06 signs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    I think it is ok unless it is posted with 30.06 signs


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    City owned buildings cannot legally post 3006 signs, unless it's a school courthouse or secure area of a jail.

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    I've just been taking it safe. Broad daylight with a lot of people, traffic, and cops. I started to ask one of the Dallas officers but didn't want to set myself up for a hassle. If I was there at night it might be a diff story. A few of the cheeer moms were a little threatening. Once I'm safely back at home I think I am going to contact Dallas PD and ask.

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    If you venture out at night, that area is generally OK. However, remember that some of the rougher areas of Dallas are just south of there. My first body many years ago was at the end of Lamar street & S. Central Expwy.

    If the cops are inside the convention center they are working an off-duty job. If you are unsure, go ahead and ask one.

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    Being from a small town it all looks rough to me. I think all the cops I saw were outside but I am going to ask if I see one tomorrow because I'm sure we'll be back.

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    If this is a college cheer comp make sure you carry a high powered camera, and be sure to post pics. :)
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    Where are you trying to conceal? Isn't it difficult with those short skirts and tight tops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnmed3 View Post
    City owned buildings cannot legally post 3006 signs, unless it's a school courthouse or secure area of a jail.
    A city, county, state, or any other government entity cannot prohibit you from entering, with a few exceptions. It is not illegal for them to post a 30.06 sign, but they are not enforceable. Schools, courthouses, and the secure areas of jails are off-limits whether they post a sign or not.

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