Is it concealed carry if holster visible?

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    Is it concealed carry if holster visible?

    Just had this discussion with a buddy of mine and I'm not sure of the answer! I bought a holster to use at the local range (tactical holster) that straps to your belt and then around your leg, so the gun sits on your thigh. One of the "features" of this holster that I didn't even realize when I bought it is an extra flap that folds down over the butt of the gun, and when you do this you can't see any part of the weapon. The holster itself sticks out like a sore thumb. My buddy said with the flap down it falls under the concealed carry laws since you can't see the weapon, is he right?

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    IMO He is wrong..

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    ^^^ Agreed. That's open carry. Just because you can't see the weapon doesn't mean it's concealed since the holster is visible. Assumption being that's if there's a holster, there's a weapon.

    Concealed means nothing is visible to the casual observer.

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    it may not matter if you are in an open carry state.
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    This really depends on what the law says "concealed" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    This really depends on what the law says "concealed" means.
    Bingo. I have hear of at least 1 state (can't remember which) that considers an openly holstered gun concealed. Gotta look at your state law to know how it is classified in your neck of the woods.
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    And, the definiton of "is" is........

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGreg View Post
    My buddy said with the flap down it falls under the concealed carry laws since you can't see the weapon, is he right?
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    If the idea is to conceal, why even use something that may raise suspicion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    Bingo. I have hear of at least 1 state (can't remember which) that considers an openly holstered gun concealed. Gotta look at your state law to know how it is classified in your neck of the woods.

    I haven't come across that in the WI code, I can see it going both ways depending on who's making the stink.

    If you look at concealed as "being hidden from common observation" a covered pistol via flap holster could be considered concealed as the pistol is not visible (big clue there is NOT VISIBLE) and for all Joe Schmoe knows that's some sort of I-pad carrier on your leg. Thaw law does not provide means to carry concealed or openly carried holsters, it allows for concealed or openly carried handguns. If the handgun is not visible to common observation, it's not really openly carried, is it?

    As it's not clearly defined in the WI code, this would probably be up to the AG to define.

    But I would advise to err on the side of caution regarding anything that could result in a charge of carrying a concealed weapon illegally, even if the charge is bogus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGreg View Post
    My buddy said with the flap down it falls under the concealed carry laws since you can't see the weapon, is he right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    it may not matter if you are in an open carry state.
    I am in an open carry state, but my understanding is open carry has a different set of rules regarding things like school zones. So while I can concealed carry anywhere except school property, I can't open carry within 1000 feet of one.

    I didn't think it would be considered concealed, his argument is whats the difference between a holster, a purse, or a fanny pack. If you can't see the gun, its concealed, so I can see his point too. For the time being, I'll stick with my not-so-obvious holsters.

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    You are able to open carry within 1,000ft of a school, but you need a concealed carry license to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGreg View Post
    I am in an open carry state, but my understanding is open carry has a different set of rules regarding things like school zones. So while I can concealed carry anywhere except school property, I can't open carry within 1000 feet of one.

    I didn't think it would be considered concealed, his argument is whats the difference between a holster, a purse, or a fanny pack. If you can't see the gun, its concealed, so I can see his point too. For the time being, I'll stick with my not-so-obvious holsters.
    Good call, but if any part of a firearm is visible (hence the firearm in the holster technically the holster is part of the firearm) it is open carry. Concealed is hidden, example, iwb holster w/firearm holstered covered by shirt = concealed, should shirt lift and show holster, or firearm and it is visible it is open carry.
    Planer terms, if you can see the holster or weapon, and others can "notice" without looking hard it is open.

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