This is a discussion on Zimmerman: Self defense or murder? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by reyno626 Some people are stating that Zimmerman was attacked from behind. The girl who was on the phone with Martin stated that ...
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Folks, I jumped in and did a bunch of edits and a few deletes due to what I considered inappropriate comments with certain overtones that we cannot and do not tolerate at DC. Keep those out of here or I'll send in the Marines.
"He went on two legs, wore clothes and was a human being, but nevertheless he was in reality a wolf of the Steppes. He had learned a good deal . . . and was a fairly clever fellow. What he had not learned, however, was this: to find contentment in himself and his own life. The cause of this apparently was that at the bottom of his heart he knew all the time (or thought he knew) that he was in reality not a man, but a wolf of the Steppes."
I'd like to know if there are any airial photo's of the scene. I'm curious of how far the neighborhood watch guy's truck was from the scene of the shooting. And how far away is the home where the Kid was visiting from the shooting scene. I've mentioned proximity being a big part of a shooting investigation in other threads, this is an example.
Did you see that the police stated several times in their information releases on Feb. 29th and March 12th that the investigation was ongoing? How did you figure that the investigation was completed in less than a couple of days or a week?
Whew, what a lot postings since the last time I logged on! A hot issue and on national news now.
One thing I've learned from having a CCW since I was 21 (now been over 30 years since) is that you really have to be careful about how having a gun can influence what you decide to do. Have to be smart about it. When I was younger, I think I might have had more of a stand your ground mentality rather than thinking about any other available options to avoid lethal use of force. It's almost like you have to first think/make decisions as if you did not have a gun until absolutely no choice. For instance, why go into a high crime area at night if you can avoid it? Or should I use pepper spray instead of a gun? (by the way, also carrying pepper spray gives you options depending on the threat level)
I think Zimmerman's thinking was influenced by his ability to legally carry a firearm. If Zimmerman did not have a gun on his person and was conducting the neighborhood watch from his vehicle, I think he would have simply called in a report to 911 and driven away if he had to retreat (a car can be used as a weapon too). I kind of doubt if he would have pursued a confrontation if he was unarmed. Also, did Zimmerman actively participate in the neighborhood watch because he had a CCW and was armed? If so, I'd think it was an improper application of the right and privilege of having a CCW. It's really for personal safety and not intended for public safety, which is LE's role. The gated community association could be liable in a lawsuit if it was aware that he was armed while conducting the neighborhood watch and permitted it.
Not trying to judge this incident but just trying to take a lesson from it.
Edited to add that I'm totally unsure if these reports are correct. I'm doubtful of accuracy of nearly all news reports at this point.
Those of you bringing the promise of future race riots into this... is it going to be Blacks vs Hispanics? Zimmerman is Hispanic. Is it going to be black on white, because the press is callin' Z a white hispanic?
What's it going to be? Do I put on the garlic necklace, or put mirrors all around or what... silver bullets?
It could be worse!
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IMO The police were presenting a justified homicide for consideration. I am angry about this case. Neighborhood watch guy is IMO a moron... in reality he is who he is... But there is absoloutly no excuse for the police to not do a complete investigation. Even if to just cover themselves. I'm hard on the cops... because for the greater part of my life I was the cops.
More hate press, with links to more hate press in it...
This is what we have to fear...
It could be worse!
CNN is doing a big report right now.
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