Back when I was 22 (seems like a century ago) I was hurt during a summer job, crushing 3 vertebrae and loosing feeling and movement in my right leg for about 2 months. Constant pain but even worse was the thoughts that I would never ride my motorcycle or play ball with my kids (didn't even have any then) or any of the myriad of other stupid things you think when all you can do is lay in bed in a brace to try to avoid surgery. Add to that the workers comp company doctor claiming "I had no identifiable injury or source of disability" so they stopped paying for everything and depression will creep in to even the most upbeat person on the planet. I never was diagnosed with clinical depression nor was I given meds. After 3 years or rehab and learning to walk again I am 95% of what I was before (only fatter after laying in bed for almost a year). Now at age 44 I may not be able to run 5-7 miles a day like I could but I can play ball with my kids and ride my motorcycle and do anything else I want within reason.
My point is that you need to find another therapist, one with lots of letters after their name, to do a current evaluation so you can appeal your gun board's decision. At the time you may have been more depressed than you can recognize, but a social workers opinion will hold no weight against an actual M.D./PhD and a current eval should bring your permit back without the need for even more expensive lawyers.
In this world of lawsuits there is little room left for judgement calls and cover you butt is the new standard. Funny how your survivors can sue if the doc does not report you but you can't sue if they lock you up for a BS reason.
It's a fine (and scary) line to be in sometimes....not unlike the decisions CCDW holders may have to make. One must decide whether to take an action (or inaction) that could be a primary factor in the death of another.
In the counselor's case, a good counselor would pursue any statement a client made that might indicate self-injury, first with the client. Sometimes counselors don't have that luxury.
I've been in both situations: I've had to take a lot of time to evaluate someone in crisis, and I've had to make a decision very quickly, with less information than I'd like to have, about whether a client is at high risk. It's not fun at all....and it's often a no-win situation. If I call, and I'm wrong, I've ruined that relationship and caused a lot of distress. If I don't call, and I'm wrong....well, that's a phone call that's devastating to get.
When counselors/mental health workers are poorly trained, have little empathy, or just don't do their jobs well, bad stuff happens.
exception-- settle down once they find out that their underlying illness can be treated; that they are not alone; and that there
are total strangers willing to listen to them. They perk up when they discover they aren't, "out of their minds," or as the teens tend to say of themselves "I'm a freak," that they aren't.
I don't hear from folks who are psychotic, nor from the people who really want to do it. Such people don't have any reason to scour the internet to find help; they made their mind up. They don't need help from the volunteers at a non-profit. Their solution is at hand.
Common sense is that the person who goes in to a clinic of their own free will
is seeking a solution and not an end. A psychologist, a psychiatrist, a social worker, contrary to what many people believe, and judicial system often seems to pretend, is not a mind reader. No one is.
When I first joined DC, I found myself wondering where Hopyard was coming from.
After I've been here a while, I realize, that I think he's for firearms ownership, the Red White and Blue, apple pie, Base ball, and the American way of life.
I find him well thought out, and smart. I don't agree with him all the time, but I agree with him enough of the times.
dealing with everyone over 65; even with CHL applications. I know I sign permission for them to look at any of my
medical records though as far as I know they have never done so and wouldn't begin to know which docs I do see.
I've a sick computer in the shop, three weeks now. The HD has Excel sheets with my lab results for several years; it has
the names of my docs; letters to them; the search histories I've done about my various ills, the temp files for various
correspondence with Medco. Privacy is gone. The only thing one has left is a chance for a certain amount of anonymity--something most of us have tossed away with numerous posts here.
#1 - All guns but 1 at a buddies house, until this crap is over!
#2 - LAWYER!
#3 - New Therapist
Plus I'd sue that quack who did this to you, once the issue is resolved!
First I would find out exactly what the reporting requirements are for mental health into the government gun checks.
Then I would find out if these requirements were adhered to by the therapist.
What are the professional qualifications of the therapist?
Is it possible he will not change his diagnosis to avoid being found guilty of insurance fraud?
Can you get a copy of all his notes?
Can you get an out of state permit that is recognized in your state?
Medical records should be sealed, PERIOD.
This type of harassment is intentional, or so I believe. It's part of a greater plan to strip as many Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights as they possibly can. According to studies, everyone will suffer from depression at some point in their life. Yes, everyone.
Depression Fact Sheet: Depression Statistics and Depression Causes
Depression is a natural part of human emotion. Stripping someone of their right to personal defense for having an emotional response to lifes circumstances would be similar to stripping them of their rights for falling in love, getting angry, or even being happy. "Depression" sets in when you're overwhelmed. Who here hasn't been overwhelmed? Felt out of control? Felt uncertain about the future? Who here has been through a break-up with a boyfriend or girlfriend and stopped eating, hanging out with friends, drank excessively or had a hard time getting up in the morning? You were clinically depressed. Should you have lost your rights over a break-up and the subsequent emotional response?
Here's the really bad part. Depression in most cases is temporary. Things like this cause people to NOT seek help when they may need it because they're in fear of losing their rights. The government is trapping people and preventing them from getting help for something that's completely treatable - and temporary. It's criminal if you ask me.
Don't get me started on the non-sense about "domestic violence". My good buddy lost his gun rights because a vengeful ex-girlfriend called the police on him to file a false report claiming he hit her in a disagreement knowing it would cost him what he held most dear, his firearms collection. What really happened? He called their wedding off because she was cheating on him. He was convicted of a misdemeanor. She later admitted in writing that she fabricated the story. It was taken to the DA who refused to throw the conviction out. He is still fighting to get his CCW back 6 years later.
I'm sorry, I digress. But this stuff really irks me to no end.
I had my annual spinal cord injury evaluation at the VA,one part is talking to a shrink,she asked me if I suffer from any depression,tend to stay in bed for long periods of time etc.My answer was nope I don't have any depression,I have support groups if I need to talk etc.
I could have said I get depressed every time I turn on the news.
How did they gain access to your personal medical records? I thought they are sealed and fall under Dr. Patient confidentiality. New Dr, new evaluation. Talk with a lawyer first!
Ok, quickly reading the all the post, first off it seems to me that the one thing that might have made a difference was that the OP let his CPL renewal date pass. I know there are many reasons this could happen, short of funds for the renewal class and permit fees, busy schedule, just slipped through the cracks. I wonder if had he done his renewal before the CPL expired, would the gun board have dug into his medical records?
Secondly, someone mentioned his disability being related to his emotional state, but that was not what I got from his original post. I assumed he was on disability due to his back injury. Having had to help my daughter fight for her disablilty caused by a stroke that was caused by a heart tumor, I know how frustating it can be. The standard procedure seems to be that the government denies all claims. You can appeal, and if you have enough money to hire a good laywer you may eventually win.
In my daughters case she was denied and with out employment for two years. She finally found a lawyer that was willing to take her case after she was turned down by others, even those that advertise on TV. "Been turned down for disability? We can help". The lawyer that finally got her her disability explained that some of these laywers are not willing to take these cases until 5 years have passed because their fees are based on 25% of the back disability that the client eventually gets paid. The govenment pays the check right to the laywer from the clients disabilty account.
So the OP needs to first of, get a new thearapist. Perhaps the NRA has a list of doctors that are not anti-gun? Then he needs to get that doctor and a lawyer to draft a statment that shows that the original therapist never treated the OP for clinical depression, and that the OP does not suffer from depression. Just being physically disabled does not mean that a person should be denied the right to self protection, if anything it's more of a reason to carry due to the inabilty to defend or flee.