Gun Friendly Cities?

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    Gun Friendly Cities?

    We all know which cities are the most restrictive to gun ownership and CCW carry (like Washington D.C., NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.) but which cities are the most friendly to gun owners and how do their crime statistics compare? Fortunately, my daughter and I live in PA ( very gun friendly state) and we both recently received our CCWs.

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    Here is a good study of this...

    Here is a good link to the Morgan Quitno annual ranking of cities for safety, based on crime statistics:

    Safest and most dangerous US cities

    The 3 most dangerous in this study, out of 327 cities, are Detroit, Atlanta and St. Louis. All three are in states that have shall issue CCW. But I don't believe that crime correlates very much with "gun friendly" city or state laws, but rather with many other factors that don't relate to guns. After all, if gun control won't affect crime (which we all believe here), how can the opposite affect it either? You can't have it both ways.

    The three safest cities in the study are Amherst, NY, Newton, MA, and Mission Viejo, CA. These are all in states that are rather restrictive of CCW and not particularly "gun friendly". The figures seem to show that the safest cities are affluent suburbs, and the most dangerous are big cities with lots of drug problems and poverty.

    Demographics rule.

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    The figures seem to show that the safest cities are affluent suburbs, and the most dangerous are big cities with lots of drug problems and poverty.
    That pretty much sums things up - so, CCW in a city is no guarantee that crime will be lower, altho of course we can't get comparitive figures for those, were CCW to be disallowed.

    Of course too - it is not the presence of CCW in big cities that in itself greatly changes the gang-banging shoot-outs and drug disagreements - those are near constants in some areas. But - the ability to CCW sure does go a ways toward honest folk standing a chance if they get caught up in trouble not of their choosing.

    Philly has been trying for a fair while to do away with carry in its limits but - state law so far has prevented that. It would not do a darned thing to alter crime and guns - not one bit.

    Pittsburgh is a carry city and has some less than desirable areas. At least honest folks there have some chance of defence.

    Bottom line as I see it - CCW in a city has zero adverse effects on crime and probably quite the opposite.
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    I wonder what stats they are pulling this from? Eugene is about the middle and we have lesser crime rates, besides property theft (not hot either), then most of the cities cited above it.

    If they are going off the population, again that is failed stats. If you have a town with 2 people living in it and a town with 100 people living in it and 1 person in town one commits a crime then the crime rate is 50%. If 1 person in the second town commits a crime then the crime rate is 1%.

    Even if 25 people in town 2 commit crimes, the rate is still only 25%.

    The only thing that this tells me is that if you live in a large group of people, you are safer due to the odds of you being the victim are less than living in a smaller city.

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    Dont let the #'s fool you.

    Just because your city is high on the list, doesnt mean you live in a high risk "area". A city might have a high consontration of crime in one small "area". Someone can live in a different "area" of the city, even spend 95% of their life withought having to go near the "area" with a high concontration of crime.
    I think this is a factor that should be equated when dealing with an inividual's risk #.

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    More background on Morgan Quitno methodology

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    I wonder what stats they are pulling this from?
    I should have given more background on the way these Morgan Quitno numbers are assembled. They collect FBI crime data on US cities of 75,000 population and over. The six crimes they consider are:

    * murder
    * rape
    * robbery
    * assault
    * burglary
    * automobile theft

    And their methodology is:

    1. Calculate crime rate (number of cases per pop. 100,000) of each 6 crimes based on previous year's FBI data.
    2. Compare these rates with U.S. average
    3. Calculate Crime Index based on Morgan Quitno's equation. All 6 crimes are weighed equally.
    4. Rank cities and metros by their Crime Index.

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    Welcome...

    from Central Florida!
    Although I would stay away from Maimi, Jacksonville, etc. (sorry if anyone lives in these places...just read the news!), but for the most part...every Florida city I've been in seems to accept CCW'ers. Lots of people carry, I have never seen a 'no gun sign', and I can carry in most places. Every cop I have talked to has been pro CCW.
    I love FL....

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