Articles/Updates: Re: Zimmerman.

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    Articles/Updates: Re: Zimmerman.

    For those interested:


    Friday, March 23rd, 2012 - Ayoob
    GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AND TRAYVON MARTIN: WHAT WE DON’T KNOW

    March 28, 2012 - Lott
    It’s Not About Stand Your Ground


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    Commentary: The Zimmerman-Martin Shooting

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    Commentary: The Zimmerman - Martin Shooting

    So now we have begun the media circus over the Zimmerman shooting in Florida. I plan on writing a controversial piece so fasten the seatbelts.

    This will of course divide everyone into two absolute camps. One, the ”never get involved in anything” crowd will point to this and say “You see…we are right”. The other, the Captain America Defender of the Innocent crowd will say Zimm was right and it was good he did what he did. Like everything, no absolute is right since the world is not made up of absolutes.

    I and teach my students that they should seek “distance from disorder” in their lives, and unless something shocks the consciousness of humanity, to mind their own business. Now I will also tell you that there is a vast gulf of difference between a suspicious black kid walking around the neighborhood, and an active shooter killing people in a restaurant. One is none of your personal business and more of a job for the police, the other…if you happen to be there, is in fact your business and your action can save many lives.

    The difference between the two extremes is also one of timing. In the former, nothing has happened. In the latter, the bad guy has already opened the game. In one you are not certain of what is really happening, but with the other it is as clear as a slap in the face.

    At warriortalk there is some confusion about this. Specifically that Zimm was justified because he was getting his butt kicked. Well, yes, that is true. There were exigent circumstances at that point, but Zimm created them. A very old grizzled Surveillance Unit Sergeant once told me that a shooting was far easier to justify if the bad guy already shed blood or tried to kill somebody. If you shot him seeking to prevent a crime, your perception of what the bad guy was really going to do will be debated forever. He said with the one you saved the day since what had already happened was not open for discussion, but with the other there would be forever unanswered questions.

    That is the pivotal difference between the IHOP shooting we discussed some time ago in a firestorm, and what we have here.

    Several WT Members have said that Zimm will have his say in court and will obviously be vindicated. Well, there is an illusion in this country about the legal system being fair and impartial. It is not any different than anywhere else on earth. It is driven by politics and money. I have seen good people get a raw deal due to being on the wrong side of the politics and money. The L.A. cops in the Rodney King thing come immediately to mind.

    Old Rodney was an Altadena Bloc Crip with all manner of criminal experience. He is also a big boy and not the prim and proper victim in a suit Johnnie Cochran depicted him as. Those cops followed their policies yet they were sacrificed to satisfy the mobs of L.A. Even after being found not guilty in the Simi Valley Trial. Does anyone think the same won't happen to Zimm? Whether he was justified or not is irrelevant since he created the exigent circumstances that led to the event.

    Gents...Lesson Number One is this - Unless what you are seeing shocks the very consciousness of humanity, plainly and clearly, lives are being lost and blood has been drawn by the focus of your attention (active shooter, murder in progress, etc.) - MIND YOUR OWN FREAKING BUSINESS!!!!!!! Had Martin been in the process of disemboweling a family of four, and Zimm shot him before he got to family member number two, he would be a national hero. Now, not so much, and his judgement will be debated forever.

    Lesson Number Two is this - The justice system is ruled by politics and money not by truth and fairness. If you think not, and that you will be treated fairly in a politically charged event like this one, you are a fool. Remember Stacy Coon and his men.

    Lesson Number Three - If you see storm clouds and see lightning, you can bet its going to rain. Zimm is sitting at home right now, ignorant of lesson number two thinking he was right and that the law of the land will vindicate him, and all those “denial things” the guys destined to be squashed by the hammer of the state tell themselves.

    As soon as he saw the media's intent and “flow of story”, before anything else is done to him, he should have been pulling a Russell Crow in "The Next Three Days". A nice apartment in Bolivia is far better than what I think will be his future.

    My Prediction On Zimm - I hope I am wrong, but based on my knowledge on how things work....

    Zimm will stick around and not go live in Bolivia.

    The District Attorney, under severe political pressure, will file a hefty stack of miscellaneous civil rights/human rights crimes…all felonies.

    He will fight it and spend his family's fortune defending himself. They will keep it going for two years after which nobody will care anymore about it politically.

    Zimm will be offered a deal with a felony conviction and reduced time. He will take it. In two more years nobody will remember his name...not even the booger picking neighbors he gave everything up for.

    There it is. Anyone still want to be Captain America Defender of the Innocent?

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    Articles/Updates: Re: Zimmerman - Ayoob, Suarez, Lott and News

    According to Fox News.....the Special Prosecutor says the Trayvon Martin Case will not go to the Grand Jury.

    Corey said she continues to investigate the case and will not involve a grand jury that had been set to meet Tuesday in Sanford, Fla.

    Corey said her decision to skip the grand jury shouldn't be considered a factor in determining whether charges will be filed against George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who has admitted to fatally shooting the unarmed Martin.

    The announcement means the decision on charges now rests solely with Corey, who had a reputation for not presenting cases before grand juries if it wasn't required. Under Florida law, only first-degree murder cases require the use of grand juries.

    Corey took over the case last month after the prosecutor who normally handles cases out of Sanford recused himself. That prosecutor, Norm Wolfinger, had originally called for the case to be presented before a grand jury.

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    FL Prosecutor will charge Zimmerman

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    http://www.foxnews.com/index.html


    Zimmerman in custody after turning himself in. Has been charged with 2nd degree murderer.

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    Dershowitz Says Corey Should Be Prosecuted

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    Interesting timeline on Zimmerman

    This piece is very interesting and does show that Zimmerman was noticing a bad pattern occuring in his neighborhood:

    Reuters Investigation Reveals Some Stunning Details About George Zimmerman | TheBlaze.com


    I still think he should have stayed put, but if these facts are true, it helps to explain his concern...
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    Transcripts from the Zimmerman bond hearing:

    CNN.com - Transcripts


    Some interesting additional commentary:

    Alan Dershowitz Slams Zimmerman Prosecutor: Her Affidavit ‘Is A Crime’ | Mediaite

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    Zimmerman's Lawsuit Against Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Martin Family Attorneys - Wausau Legal Education | Examiner.com


    Zimmerman's Lawsuit Against Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Martin Family Attorneys

    In a twist not even the best fiction writers could have seen coming, the Trayvon Martin case, instigated by a couple of sheister attorneys looking to make money from a tragedy, will reportedly end with George Zimmerman recovering legal damages from Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Trayvon Martin family attorneys, Daryl Parks and Benjamin Crump.

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    Articles/Updates: Re: Zimmerman.

    here is an article that should be read if you want to understand what is really going on with this fiasco.

    Articles: Trayvon and Zimmerman: The Structure and Elements of a Disinformation Campaign
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    What a refreshing breath of common sense!
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    Articles/Updates: Re: Zimmerman.

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    So ABC news is just proclaiming to know the outcome of a criminal case? The title here is a line borrowed directly from the linked news story.

    George Zimmerman Medical Report Sheds Light on Injuries After Trayvon Martin Shooting - ABC News

    I guess just reporting the facts as news is a thing of the past...
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    AP:

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    MIAMI—Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a fractured nose and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

    ABC News said the medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday in the second-degree-murder case against Mr. Zimmerman. He has entered a plea of not guilty and claims self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting. ABC News reported Mr. Zimmerman's injuries from the medical records. Some of the injuries were previously reported by the Associated Press based on video of Mr. Zimmerman at a local jail.
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