This is a discussion on What is your take on this? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Heading to Mud Hens season opener tonight. We take the Tarta Bus from Waterville to Toledo and I looked up there rules of conduct: Weapons ...
Heading to Mud Hens season opener tonight. We take the Tarta Bus from Waterville to Toledo and I looked up there rules of conduct:
Weapons / Hazardous Items – No person, except a Law Enforcement Officer, shall bring into or
carry aboard a TARTA vehicle, or bring into a TARTA station, any knife, gun, bow/arrow,
explosive device or material, fireworks, blackjack, club, and/or any illegal or unlawfully
possessed weapon of any kind.
Now I see it says no person except leo, but it also says "unlawfully"? I'm legal lawfully so am I ok or not? I still have to check to see if I can carry at the ballpark.
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Archer51, deffinetly not worth getting in trouble. But are the buses posted with the signs? I don't know that's why I looked up the rules of conduct. I still haven't found out if the field is legal to cc into. I'll have to call down there I guess.
Doesn't matter now anyways, I called the ball field and they have signs posted no guns. :(
Here in Tx we can't carry into professional sporting events,"IOW if they get paid to play" no guns allowed
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As I see it, either no gun...or don't go!
Losing a permit is not worth it...
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This is not ment to be against the OP or any one in particular. Is it me or do we worry to much about what is legal and what is not. I know in Texas if there is a 30.06 sign posted I can't carry there. I know the law concerning schools and federal office buildings whether or not they are posted. If I see a sign of ANY kind requesting no guns I just don't go there. I am not concerned if its legal I don't want the hassel from the owner or LE. I don't care if the sign is not the proper size or color or the wording isn't exactly right. I just don't go there or leave my gun in the car safe. retsupt99 nailed it ,"Losing a permit is not worth it". Seems like we get off on a rabbit trail about legal sign issues when we need to worry more about our 2A rights and what is happening in Washington DC instead of Joe Bobs Coffee Shop in Dime Box,TX not allowing CC. But thats just me. Sorry about the rambling, I love this site. Stay safe!!
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is it a legal sign by state statue; if it is then it's a posted "no" if not carry
I don't think the rules of conduct for the bus would be legaly binding, but there is really no wiggle room for interpretation there if you typed it exactly. The and/or clause does not seperate the following items from the initial statement that no person may carry these items. The unlawful or illegal weapon segment is there as a catch all and is not addressing any of the previous items prohibited.
But as you said, if you can't carry at the destination, it doesn't matter. Lots of places and companies say 'no guns' but then are not actually posted or not the proper legal signs etc... You could look into it some more. The stadiums here all have a policy against guns, but it is not illegal. Just be prepared to be asked to leave if you are discovered.
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I copied and pasted the rule of conduct so it is correct. This is a family outing so I'm just going unarmed, my kids are looking forward to this game. I am however going to really look over the bus and stadium for signs.
My take? The Mud Hens (or anyone else) and the bus company need my dollar much worse than I need their gunbuster signs.
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If OH statutes say signs carry the weight of law, then it really isn't worth taking a chance on getting caught and having your kids watch you get carted off to jail.
Enjoy the game with your family and keep your SA up.
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Based on salaries and "hot dog" performances of professional athletes, it makes perfect sense they don't allow sniper rifles in the peanut gallery.
I typically dislike it when someone starts talking about State "Z" where the OP asked a specific question about State "A."
But I'm going to break my own rule, here.
IMHO, you might want to follow-up locally -- as here in Virginia local jurisdiction and State agencies quite often use language like "unlawfully possessed" or "illegal" weapons to convoluted the issue when we force them to remove gun-buster sign that not authorized by State law.
I typically deal with a half dozen such unauthorized gun-buster signs a year. In over half the cases, they put up a "unlawfully possessed" or "illegal" weapons sign in its place. Under our current law we can't sue over that wording. Wish we could.
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