Second package of protection

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    Second package of protection

    A while back, I asked for information from this site, about staying secure inside a vehicle when your old and incapacitated. Replies were well recieved, and I've taken the advise given ie, lock doors,while son is in the store making purchases. The conceal carry laws helps with Castle doctrine (Wi.) and does give me the right to self protection when a person is not able, like myself, to run away. I was reading about an elderly gentlman age of 70+ who was pulled from his vehicle and beat and robbed. The attakers used a ball peen hammer and unfortunately the old gentleman was not armed. Like I said before, I'm 76 yrs old,with bi-lateral neuropathy affecting leg movement and stability in other words I can't run anymore. I now carry a PPK/S 380 with the option of a Springfield 1911 45 ACP 5" barrel, with side holster OWB. I've been thinking along the lines of using the car horn as a danger signal for help and or to warn my son when he exits the store if possible trouble is about to ensue. Riding in the passenger side( whats considered riding shotgun) is all I can do in a way of protecting my son and I. I am going to have to do alot of dry practice with the 1911, as it's a much larger pistol than the PPK 380, as far as pulling and aiming and firing from a vehicle seat. Any more suggestions you would be kind enough to offer to help me and other readers like myself, will be greatfully recieved and appreciated.So far everything has been uneventful (of which I'm greatful,and hope it stays that way) but one can never tell such information provided by folks like you could save the life of older folks who are handicapped and are left in vehicles while others do the shopping for them. We both carry cell phones as a first line of defense,but sometimes it may go farther (faster) than calling Police for help.
    My son and I read this Forum daily, hoping to gleen information to cover our situation or any other problems we haven't thought of or overlooked. Again many thanks for your time and thought and suggestions.
    regards, LOU
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    Sounds like you have it covered.
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    I was reading about an elderly gentlman age of 70+ who was pulled from his vehicle and beat and robbed. The attackers used a ball peen hammer
    While the car does offer some protection the side windows are its Achilles heel. Any hardened projectile or tool will quickly shatter it. Something to be aware of.

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    You definitely need to practice with the 1911. I'd suggest getting some snap caps and practice drawing and firing from a seated position. Remember the trigger pull on the 1911 is going to be a lot lighter than what your PPK is. If you can find a range that will allow you to shoot from a seated position, practice it there as well, with live ammo.
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    You certainly sound to have done three very important things:

    #1. Thought the situation through effectively, and considered your options.
    #2. Acquired good quality tools to increase your chances of defending yourself effectively.
    #3. Committed to practice to achieve proficiency.

    I can only think of two things. First, understand what shooting through glass will do to the trajectory of your bullets. Just because you can see straight through it doesn't mean that you can shoot straight through it. Second, check into the state laws governing posession of a handgun in the vehicle. If you don't need to carry the handgun physically on your person, you may be able to find and option that makes it easier and faster to get the 1911 into action from a seated position. Perhaps there is a spot on the side of the passenger seat that is suited to mounting a holster for the 1911?

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    Dry fire practice in the car if at all possible and practical( possibly in the garage). Cars limit space and you will need to know what limitations are present. If you are sitting in the passenger side and right handed any threat approaching from behind on this side will be difficult to address. Further a seatbelt , center console and seat backs may hinder your draw.
    If you do have to fire it will be loud and most likely deafening. Muzzle flash and possible powder may affect you as well.
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    I like this guy and what he teaches. This will help answer some of you questions. some of the things I do when sitting and waiting for someone is position myself where I can see all around me (not in a parking spot) just in case you need to move fast

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    while in the car you are being observant, even readjusting the middle mirror to your advantage.

    as an aside--if you see trouble coming ( kinda like pornography--you know it when you see it)
    and if you have a set of headphones....putting them on while you have the gun in your lap may cause
    the miscreants to have toughts of being elsewhere.
    and if you do have to fire the gun, the muffs will be a blessing.
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    What about a car holster from Horseshoe Leather Products? I don't own one, but is seems like a good idea:



    One of the site sponsers might have something similar.
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    The cross draw is a nice option but to the point of one of the earlier posts. In WI you can have a gun in the car not on your person. You may be well served to look into some type of holster or storage option that keeps the gun close and easy to access. This eliminates the need to work on the draw from a seated position with possible seat belt issues. Since you have issues with your legs I am going to assume turning or major repositioning in the seat may be limited so the advice about readjusting mirrors for your use while parked is a great idea. I would not stop at the center mirror, manually move the side mirror on your side as well. I would also consider less than lethal options such as a Taser and OC that is in foam or gel form. We had an attempted robbery/carjacking that was stopped when the unarmed BG jumped in and the old lady broke his nose with her cane as he was trying to force her out of the car. I am not suggesting that you would not be justified if someone enters your car, especially by force, to fear for your life/safety but more options are never bad. Imagine sitting with your OC, gel or foam to reduce the effects on you in a closed space, in your weak hand someone jumps in and you can hose them down as you draw your weapon. Hopefully he has vacated the area and you do not have to live with the ramifications of killing someone, both financial and emotional.

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    If you have a vanity mirror on the inside of the sun visor, start using it to see what's going on behind the car as you're sitting there waiting for your son. Adjust it so you can see anyone approaching from behind.

    When I did surveillance on drug houses for the swat team before we served warrants, I called it the "anti-ambush" mirror. In my vehicle I have vanity mirrors on both the driver and passenger sun visors. With the electric outside mirrors, I would adjust both side mirrors to eliminate the usual blind spot in order to spot people creeping up right next to the car, plus use the vanity mirror to maximum advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades View Post
    What about a car holster from Horseshoe Leather Products? I don't own one, but is seems like a good idea:



    One of the site sponsers might have something similar.
    this is great if you don't have Dunlap’s disease (my belly dun lapped over my belt) here a while back someone was asking about a cross draw for a .45

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    One thing about using the horn as a warning device. Sad to say most people hear horns so much that they don't pay attention to them. Years ago there used to be a car burglar alarm that was a motor driven siren. If it is legal in your state you may want one mounted in the car and wired to a momentary or toggle switch. More people pay attention to sirens than they do horns. My bet is there is some law somewhere against it.

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    WHAT A BUNCH OF SWELL FOLKS!!!! The information supplied will be practiced by me and I'm sure by other old duffers.The end result may be, that you've saved some lives. Thank you again. I will keep you posted as time goes by an my results and what works the best for me. You'll be surprised by how many older folks read plus youthful readers, will take suggestions you've supplied and hope they pracice,practice,practice.Sincerest Thanks, LOU..

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    Welcome to DC, Lou!

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