COSTCO firearms policy

This is a discussion on COSTCO firearms policy within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ArmyMan Property owners who post gun-buster signs are disrespecting the rights others. You're arguing that we should respect their disrespect. Thats a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyMan View Post
    Property owners who post gun-buster signs are disrespecting the rights others. You're arguing that we should respect their disrespect. Thats a silly thing to ask for.

    The best thing to do in most cases when someone disrespects you, is ignore it. This means ignoring gun-buster signs.

    If you don' like guns, close your buisness and go home. No one forced you to engage in public commerce, that was your choice.

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    Does that apply to the 1A also? Do you think it is not OK for a owner to kick someone out because of provocative slogans on t-shirts. Profanities on them or porn?

    Do not say that is different because you can see those but cannot see a concealed weapon.

    The issue is the COnstitution and what an owner can and can not ban from their establishment.

    So,are they disrespecting people that want to wear a NAMBA (sick organization) t shirt in their establishment or not. If the answer is no, then you are not being disrespected when it comes to the 2nd A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwponline View Post
    If I owned a business I would hate to think that sharing my views on [fill in the blank] would cause me to lose customers (even if it was true). As a free society we should be better than that.
    Just like the Chick-Fil-A story. Boston and Chicago elected officials (mayors, no less) publicly declared they don't want that company's business. And why? Because the company's owner made a positive statement about values he endorses, and did so without stepping on anyone's feet.
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    I would continue to carry concealed until a sign is posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Does that apply to the 1A also? Do you think it is not OK for a owner to kick someone out because of provocative slogans on t-shirts. Profanities on them or porn?
    Gun =/= porn, especialy if carried concealed.
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    Do not say that is different because you can see those but cannot see a concealed weapon.
    It's different because you can not see a concealed weapon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyMan View Post
    Gun =/= porn, especialy if carried concealed.
    It's different because you can not see a concealed weapon.


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    It is not different. It is an issue of what a property owner can do and what rights he can restrict or prohibit. Your claim is the 2A gives you the right. That means that someone can OC and the owner can not do anything about it. Stop trying to change aruements. This all comes back to yoour claim that your right to self defense is more important. Well, then carrying OC should be allowed just as CC. Goes back to the rights issue, it does not matter if it is the 1st A or 2nd A...courts have said...and the Constitutions says that that the goevernment will not infringe.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roon View Post
    Requests made by a business on their website are easily missed. As a consumer I cannot be expected to know every policy of the business prior to entering. So I will carry there unless verbally informed that I am no longer welcome in the store because I am carrying a firearm. That is a reasonable request and I will happily abide by it, until then What sign? I didn't see any sign.
    Ignorance of the sign is no defense. Either way I am also talking about signs on teh door. If you are so concerned, why not call ahead and with Costco, you agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed up for your membership. Did you not read the terms and conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyMan View Post
    Property owners who post gun-buster signs are disrespecting the rights others. You're arguing that we should respect their disrespect. Thats a silly thing to ask for.

    The best thing to do in most cases when someone disrespects you, is ignore it. This means ignoring gun-buster signs.

    If you don' like guns, close your buisness and go home. No one forced you to engage in public commerce, that was your choice.

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    They are not disrespecting others. They are saying what goes on their property. If a restaurant says I can't bring food in from their competitors, is it disrespectful? Or I can't talk on a cell phone during the movie? Sorry but property rights trump gun rights in this case. If I feel no trespassing signs are disrespectful, should I just ignore them. If you want to carry a gun and I say not to on my property, then just go home.

    I should take it that you don't respect the rights of others when you enter their home as they are disrespecting you? It is their property and it is best to ignore the rules you don't like as it is disrespectful to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    Ignorance of the sign is no defense. Either way I am also talking about signs on teh door. If you are so concerned, why not call ahead and with Costco, you agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed up for your membership. Did you not read the terms and conditions?
    The terms and conditions of membership don't say anything about firearms. You actually have to do a google search to fine the referenced statement, and even then it's not actually on Costco.com, it's on a third-party site. Some commenters have noticed gunbuster signs at their local Costco stores, but not all (I have looked and seen no gunbuster signs at any I've been to),
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    I may be a bit late on the subject, but COSTCO was formerly known as Price Club which originated on the left coast, California to be specific. That may help explain things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizjimbo View Post
    I may be a bit late on the subject, but COSTCO was formerly known as Price Club which originated on the left coast, California to be specific. That may help explain things.
    not... exactly:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco#History
    Costco opened its first warehouse in Seattle, Washington, on September 15, 1983. Sinegal had started in wholesale distribution by working for Sol Price at both FedMart and Price Club. Brotman, an attorney from an old Seattle retailing family, had also been involved in retail distribution from an early age...In 1993, however, Costco merged with Price Club
    So... 10 years after Costco formed, they merged with Price Club.
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    The courts in most states have held that owners of private property can prohibit the carry of weapons, concealed or otherwise, by those other than bona-fide sworn LEO's. That's a fact, like it or not. Depending on the jurisdiction, those who choose to disregard such signage can be charged with tresspass, menacing or other crimes, usually all misdemeanor if the owner calls police. If you are dumb enough to become confrontational on this matter while carrying a weapon, the charges can quickly become felonies. So why risk it?

    If you don't like a property (or business) owner's policy, then simply go elsewhere and make the owner aware of your decision. Business owners understand $$$ more than belligerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    They are not disrespecting others. They are saying what goes on their property. If a restaurant says I can't bring food in from their competitors, is it disrespectful? Or I can't talk on a cell phone during the movie? Sorry but property rights trump gun rights in this case. If I feel no trespassing signs are disrespectful, should I just ignore them. If you want to carry a gun and I say not to on my property, then just go home.

    I should take it that you don't respect the rights of others when you enter their home as they are disrespecting you? It is their property and it is best to ignore the rules you don't like as it is disrespectful to you.
    You still don't get that in some places gun laws DO trump property rights. In Florida, and as I have said before I am only talking about Florida NOBODY except the state may set gun laws. All the counties and local governments had enacted their own gun laws by prohibiting gun in local parks, concerts, and other areas. Last year this was challenged and the court upheld the standing law that says ONLY THE STATE MAY DETERMINE GUN LAW. All the local signs came down and local government officals can be held in contempt if the local governments set their own rules regarding guns. This is also extended to all properties. The ONLY places a legal permit holder cannot carry are those listed In 790 and include schools, federal buildings, jails, sporting events, 14 in all, none of which include private property.
    You continue to compare apples to oranges. Trespass laws are different. Nobody is breaking a law, at least in Florida, by carrying a gun ANYWHERE that is not prohibited by LAW. Disrespectful? That is questionable, I view it as disrespectful to deny my legal carry. Disrespect and illegal are two different things. What is "disrespectful" to one is not necessarily to another. I travel a lot and find it disrespectful that some people bring some of the nastiest smelling food to eat during the flight, however, I am sure the guy eating anchovies and Lebanese deli meat does not feel the same way I do.
    You are trying to use the disrespect argument in something that is really a legal matter. I am getting the idea that you think you know far more than you do.
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    Like any "gun free zone" I simply ignore it. As far as I'm concerned my Second Amendment RIGHTS don't stop at the door.

    BTW, Would it be legal if they had a policy that banned gay people from entering? I think not the Feds would be over them for violation of their Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximum1 View Post
    Like any "gun free zone" I simply ignore it. As far as I'm concerned my Second Amendment RIGHTS don't stop at the door.

    BTW, Would it be legal if they had a policy that banned gay people from entering? I think not the Feds would be over them for violation of their Rights.
    Using that analogy is bit of a stretch and doesn't have anything to do with allowing someone to carry a firearm on your private property.
    If you don't want me on your property with a weapon, I get it, and will respect your right to prohibit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badbullgator View Post
    You still don't get that in some places gun laws DO trump property rights. In Florida, and as I have said before I am only talking about Florida NOBODY except the state may set gun laws. All the counties and local governments had enacted their own gun laws by prohibiting gun in local parks, concerts, and other areas. Last year this was challenged and the court upheld the standing law that says ONLY THE STATE MAY DETERMINE GUN LAW. All the local signs came down and local government officals can be held in contempt if the local governments set their own rules regarding guns. This is also extended to all properties. The ONLY places a legal permit holder cannot carry are those listed In 790 and include schools, federal buildings, jails, sporting events, 14 in all, none of which include private property.
    You continue to compare apples to oranges. Trespass laws are different. Nobody is breaking a law, at least in Florida, by carrying a gun ANYWHERE that is not prohibited by LAW. Disrespectful? That is questionable, I view it as disrespectful to deny my legal carry. Disrespect and illegal are two different things. What is "disrespectful" to one is not necessarily to another. I travel a lot and find it disrespectful that some people bring some of the nastiest smelling food to eat during the flight, however, I am sure the guy eating anchovies and Lebanese deli meat does not feel the same way I do.
    You are trying to use the disrespect argument in something that is really a legal matter. I am getting the idea that you think you know far more than you do.
    But private companies don't make "laws" only governments do. What they are doing is establishing a code of conduct for admission to their property. Failure to follow that code of conduct once notified of such code could be taken by a court as meaning you do not have permission to be on that property. If that is the case you are trespassing. Trespassing while armed is a third degree felony in Florida. 810.08 (C)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximum1 View Post
    Like any "gun free zone" I simply ignore it. As far as I'm concerned my Second Amendment RIGHTS don't stop at the door.

    BTW, Would it be legal if they had a policy that banned gay people from entering? I think not the Feds would be over them for violation of their Rights.
    Gun ownership is not a federally protected class.
    You might want to read ORS 164.205, 164.245 and 164.265 and State v Holte. Unless you are aware of a particular statute or case law that says your right to carry supercedes a property owners rights, by knowingly carrying on private property against the owners wishes you are committing criminal trespass.
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