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    hmmmm. I would suggest you think hard at whether carrying a firearms daily is for you. If you are still wrestling with this issue, then I doubt you will ever use
    your gun in self defense. I came to the conclusion a long time ago:

    material stuff?? Let it go.
    My life or the life of a loved one?? Shoot 'em to the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    hmmmm. I would suggest you think hard at whether carrying a firearms daily is for you. If you are still wrestling with this issue, then I doubt you will ever use
    your gun in self defense. I came to the conclusion a long time ago:

    material stuff?? Let it go.
    My life or the life of a loved one?? Shoot 'em to the ground.
    I should've framed this better in a forum specifically devoted to DC. I'm thinking more broadly than simply well-defined GGs/BGs and my stuff/my people. For instance: I'm willing to die for my faith, but I'm not willing to kill for it. I have seen hazy ID situations (combat, not personal defense, but I can see possible transfer) in which I risked taking a shot from a possible bad guy vs. taking a shot at a possible good guy/neutral. I hope I'd do it again.

    I figure I'll wrestle with this for my entire life - and in a relatively clear situation I don't see it preventing me from using my gun in self defense, though there are some extreme situations in which I can see not using my firearm to protect my own life. The lives of my loved ones? Not a single hesitation.

    However, this question does affect my decisions about how I live my life, mostly in how I avoid certain environments and situations.

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    Except for some religious fanatics, dying is not a valid plan of action. If I need to kill, I will, but accepting a risk of death or injury is not the same as resigning ones self to that fate.

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    Like a lot of you I don't understand the question either. But I would be much more willing to kill, even be killed, to protect my family than I would be to just protect myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH_Esau View Post
    I should've framed this better in a forum specifically devoted to DC. I'm thinking more broadly than simply well-defined GGs/BGs and my stuff/my people. For instance: I'm willing to die for my faith, but I'm not willing to kill for it. I have seen hazy ID situations (combat, not personal defense, but I can see possible transfer) in which I risked taking a shot from a possible bad guy vs. taking a shot at a possible good guy/neutral. I hope I'd do it again.

    I figure I'll wrestle with this for my entire life - and in a relatively clear situation I don't see it preventing me from using my gun in self defense, though there are some extreme situations in which I can see not using my firearm to protect my own life. The lives of my loved ones? Not a single hesitation.

    However, this question does affect my decisions about how I live my life, mostly in how I avoid certain environments and situations.
    My faith doesn't have a prohibition against killing, and it doesn't require me to die for it, so I am good there. Avoidance of likely bad situations is usually a good plan, but not at the cost of becoming reclusive and fearful.
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    Stack 2 is bigger than 3 - There are more things for which I'd kill than die for

    I understand the question completely. Do not judge me by my answer and I will not judge those who question.
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    The things I'm willing to kill for are the same things I'm willing to die for.
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    My objective is not to die or to kill only to keep mine and myself safe from harm by whatever means necessary.

    A suicide bomers objective is to Kill and Die. I am certainly not one of them.
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    I would rather kill than be killed. But I have to believe the other guy feels the same way, so if I am not willing to die in the attempt then I should not carry the means by which to kill someone.

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    Is your middle name confucious? I know It may sound dumb but have you seen "The Book of Eli"? I made up my mind the day I decided to own, let alone carry a gun. You my freind need to take a long, hard look in the mirror if you a doubt.
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PB2 View Post
    I would rather kill than be killed. But I have to believe the other guy feels the same way, so if I am not willing to die in the attempt then I should not carry the means by which to kill someone.
    I would tend to agree...you really need to re evaluate why you carry. This is not a judgment. But if you are hesitant on a forum you will most likely have doubts when you need to protect yourself or loved ones.

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    I don't understand the 'willing to die' thing. If I get zapped, I assure you that it was not part of my plan.
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    Seems to me that anything important enough for me to die for I would kill to protect.
    "Some people go to bed with Lucifer..........then cry, cry, cry when they don't greet the day with God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    I don't understand the 'willing to die' thing. If I get zapped, I assure you that it was not part of my plan.
    I think it is seperate from SD. Like running into a burning building.....that is how I looked at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I think it is seperate from SD. Like running into a burning building.....that is how I looked at it.
    That's my take on it, too. Regarding SD, if I'm willing to die for it, I'm willing to kill for it, and vice versa.
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