Willing to kill vs willing to die?

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  • Stack 2 is bigger than 3 - There are more things for which I'd kill than die for

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  • Stack 3 is bigger than stack 2 - There are more things for which I'd die than kill

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  • Stack 2 and 3 are equal

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    Willing to kill vs willing to die?

    Philosophical questions with which I've wrestled for years and posed to different audiences. I'm interested in hearing from this group.

    Imagine a pile of coins, each representing a hypothetical scenario, situation, person, concern, value, etc.

    You go through the pile, placing them in stacks on the table. Anything that doesn't get fit one of these stacks gets put in a bag on the side (hopefully, that bag's pretty full at the end of the exercise):
    1. I'd be willing either to die or to kill another human over this
    2. I'd be willing to kill another human but not to die for this
    3. I'd be willing to die but not to kill another human for this

    Anything that doesn't
    My questions:
    Is stack 2 bigger than stack 3, or vice versa?
    What are examples from each stack?

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    In self defense or defense of another I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
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    Not quite sure I understand your question, but I'll try to answer it.


    To me it basically comes down to, I would kill to protect myself and my loved ones. While I will not lay down my life in vain, I would give it up protecting those I love.

    I will not kill to protect material items, but if I feel my life is in danger because someone is trying to take them by force, I will meet that force with ruthless force of my own. They may take me out, but they will not take me out easily.
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    In general (barring any specifics), I'd be more willing to die than to kill, but would kill if absolutely necessary.
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    I absolutely don't understand the question, however Archer51's comments pretty much sum up my feelings as well.

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    I am willing to die for my loved ones and those close to me. I am willing to kill to protect the same. Pretty simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoppo View Post
    I absolutely don't understand the question, however Archer51's comments pretty much sum up my feelings as well.
    Same here. Archer51 put it into words for me too.
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    The question as posed isn't all that easy to understand or answer.

    Am I willing to kill to protect myself, my loved ones, or even other people in certain circumstances. Yes.

    Am I willing to kill to protect property under certain circumstances, if the person doesn't decide to their life is worth more than the property. Yes.

    Am I willing to accept death as a result of the previous statements. Yes.

    Am I willing to accept death so that someone else that I love may live. Yes.

    I don't know how the piles would stack up because there are way to many scenarios that could possibly be brought to the table. However, with reasonable caution and planning the instances that you will have to flip that coin should be very few in a lifetime.
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    Die for my loved ones. Kill to protect them. There is no magical formula for that....
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    Simple enough choice. I am unwilling to die over the stupidity or criminality of another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whoppo View Post
    I absolutely don't understand the question, however Archer51's comments pretty much sum up my feelings as well.
    Same with me too!
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    Don't really know what is in Stack 1 or Stack 2. I am unwilling to die at the hands of another and if they press the issue, will do my best to take them out first. I will protect my family and loved ones up to and including dying in the process.
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    I am not going to die for anybody. Let the other guy die. Or what Patton said.
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    It’s like this; if it’s not yours don't touch/take it no matter what it is and if need be I will defend it and if that means killing so be it.

    A soldier does not kill because he hates what is in front of him but because he loves what is behind him

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