If my life is in danger I'm not using pepper spray.
I've gone thru a couple gas chambers courtesy of Uncle Sam, and it might not be the same thing, but I wasn't impressed. Some guys wound up puking and blind, but not others. It wouldn't have incapacitated me. A certain percentage won't be affected, another group will get pissed off, and yet another will be under the influence of drugs/alcohol - that's too many groups to rely on it. I've about decided to just get one of those stun gun pens - anyone know the effectiveness of those?
I think you are underestimating pepper spray. There are quite a few out there that aren't very effective and cost about $4, but the ones that I have listed in the original post will be effective on nearly everybody. When I say that it doesn't work as well on those who are intoxicated, that means they might need an extra spray to be most effective. Personally I have never seen a single person not affected by pepper spray, in any physical or mental state, even on the internet.
If you are looking for a non-lethal alternative I suggest you give pepper spray a little more research and I think you'll be surprised at what you find. If you still choose otherwise Tasers are EXTREMELY effective and basically the only other good alternative I have found. But it comes with a price tag ranging from $500-$1000 it's not exactly cheap...
this is very understandable and no one here is saying don't use lethal force all he is saying is sometimes lethal force is not the first response to some situations and I bring up Z and M in FL if Z would have used pepper spray it would have been all over with but because he didn't he is out a lot of money and might spend more time in jail… the alternative…. A 15.00 can of pepper sprayQuote:
If my life is in danger I'm not using pepper spray.
From the original post: "If it is your life in danger, spray and immediately run (if possible). " As I said, just ain't gonna happen.
Ok, actually looked at some youtube vids and I ain't impressed. I've got an Olight T10 with a strobe to blind/disorient someone. Still don't have a whole lot of confidence in sprays, but will have to reconsider.
Good write up! Need some for not so lethal threats. Loose dogs etc. "Likes" issued!
Exactly. Ppl who don't trust spay don't use it. But there are times you won't have a gun. The Pepper spray will help you to run or in your hand to hand. I usually have a gun,spray and a knife.
I think everyone has to make their own decisions on the use of non-lethal measures, but here's my view on it, and why I don't use them.
If I, or someone else, is under threat of severe harm, I want the most reliable method to neutralize that threat. I have far more faith in the construction and maintenance of my Kimber 1911 than I do from a bottle of spray. I regularly visit the range to ensure my firearm is functioning flawlessly, and if something is amiss I immediately identify and resolve the issue. I also know my capabilities with the firearm after extensive range work, something that would be exceedingly difficult to maintain with a spray. I know that when I pull the trigger on my firearm, that bullet will continue in a forward trajectory. No amount of wind is going to blow my JHP's back at me. I also know that if I put a few rounds in someone who happens to make it to me, I don't have to worry about their blood incapacitating me. With spray, being tackled by a BG covered in it is likely to render me much less effective at self defense. I also understand that chemical sprays can vary in how people react, whereas I have confidence that every human being on earth will have the same physiological response to a properly placed shot with a firearm.
Now, I do not want to imply that the firearm is fullproof. There are plenty of places you can get shot and still keep on going for quite some time, and by no means are all bullet wounds incapacitating or life-threatening. However, I still feel that there are more absolutes with the firearm. A spine shot, heart shot, or center mass brain shot is basically going to have the same effect every time, no matter who it is. Even hitting the right bone can basically guarantee incapacitation. There are basically no absolutes that I can trust with something like OC spray.
Something else to consider is the deterrent factor. My understanding from reading research papers is that the majority of confrontations where a firearm is employed for self defense result in no shots being fired. Someone feels threatened, they pull their piece and the BG runs or freezes or whatever. I don't know much about the statistics with pepper spray, but I certainly believe that a BG who might risk a shot of pepper spray, might not take that same risk when staring down the barrel of a gun.
I also train in martial arts (TKD), which gives me more confidence in a hand to hand situation (sans weapons). I can control my fighting far more than I can control a spray. In fact, fighting someone covered in some nasty substance could easily diminish any advantage I might have from my tkd training.
I would certainly agree that for some people, sprays are the way to go. I just thought it prudent to consider all the possibilities and evaluate how you would handle different situations. There's a lot more involved in self defense than a choice of weapon! :)
Having trained a little with OC (got all the OC training I need for my lifetime)....get a big face dose, keep your gun and\or keep on your feet, or defend your self, or navigate to a safe area..Im not packin OC, just pistols and knives thankyou...but heck..I'm not required to respond in a non-lethal manner...