Crime statistics for "no guns allowed" business?

Crime statistics for "no guns allowed" business?

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    Crime statistics for "no guns allowed" business?

    Near the end of July, someone on another forum posted a list of every Columbus OH police reports where UDF stores were robbed at gunpoint, despite the "no guns" signs. After at least 2 more UDF robberies, I wondered about Speedway, and he posted a similar list covering those, running until early September.

    Results:

    UDF had 53 gun crimes (until the end of July)
    UDF has 28 stores in Columbus.
    In this time period, there were 1.89 crimes per store.
    (I believe there were at least 2 more robberies in August, that would bring the per store rate to 1.96)

    Speedway had 44 gun crimes (Same start, but ending in early Sept)
    Speedway has 33 stores in Columbus.
    In the slightly longer time period, Speedway had 1.33 gun crimes per store.

    If I'm doing the math right, UDF has a 42-47% higher rate of armed robbery, despite the "no guns" signs.

    Am I doing the math right?

    Has anyone done a similar comparison elsewhere?


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    No comparisons but - as we all know - armed robberies are not committed by legal CCW people.!!

    This is what makes the no guns crap so darned crazy. It is once more one of those situations where - in effect - business premises all but advertize - "no guns here"!

    So, potentially rich and safe pickings for the bad guys, and risk to honest patrons.
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    Sometime last year on the Ohioan's for Concealed Carry website I read about a convenience store with a sign that had been robbed multiple times in a brief time span while a store just up the street that allowed CCW had not been robbed at all.

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    Lions and robbers are predators...

    The lion is a successful predator, and a pack of hunting lions will seek the weakest, slowest, or smallest member of the targeted herd to kill and eat. This is easier for the lions, and lowers the chances that the lions will be injured during the hunt.

    Robbers are slightly smarter than lions but follow a similar pattern of looking for the easiest store to rob, to improve their odds of success. A store with a "no guns allowed" sign is more likely to be a pushover and not involve trouble for the armed robber. The robber will likely have the only gun in the store.

    This seems amazingly simple to understand, but many store owners cannot grasp it.

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    Not statistical data, but a story from my hometown.

    When concealed carry reform passed in 2003, there was a provision where businesses could post. Here, in the city I live in, in my travels I noted that only one bank in town actually posted.

    That posted bank was hit with an armed robbery about a week or two after they put up the signs. No other banks in town were hit. The next time I passed by that bank, the signs were gone! The bankers in town wised up, and I even suspect that there are some guns hanging on key employees.

    Some other businesses that posted took their signs down over the next few months, with the final result that very few businesses in town are posted. The one glaring exception is Mayo Clinic, which employs about 30k people and gets hundreds of thousands of patients each year...regretfully, I wait for some whacko to commit a multiple homicide there. I sure wish they would drop the posting for the sake of everyone that enters their campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    The lion is a successful predator, and a pack of hunting lions will seek the weakest, slowest, or smallest member of the targeted herd to kill and eat. This is easier for the lions, and lowers the chances that the lions will be injured during the hunt.

    Robbers are slightly smarter than lions but follow a similar pattern of looking for the easiest store to rob, to improve their odds of success. A store with a "no guns allowed" sign is more likely to be a pushover and not involve trouble for the armed robber. The robber will likely have the only gun in the store.
    I'd like to see a study on that robbers being smarter than lions thing

    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    This seems amazingly simple to understand, but many store owners cannot grasp it.
    I, as many I'm sure can agree whole heartedly on this part.

    "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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    Robbers and lions

    Quote Originally Posted by 4my son View Post
    I'd like to see a study on that robbers being smarter than lions thing
    I was just being kind to robbers by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

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