20 year veteran instructor shoots self

20 year veteran instructor shoots self

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    20 year veteran instructor shoots self

    Even the most seasoned folks have negligent discharges... Don't let it happen to you... practice most of the time with an unloaded weapon... not always, but most of the time.... And if you ever find your finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be... stop, review... and put the training aside for a day...

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    This is only speculation but I think some of the accidents (maybe not all), when reholstering is due to feeling like you have to put it back quickly. Maybe there are some legitimate times you need to quickly reholster but it really does put you at risk of some bad things happening. I think I'm a bit paranoid about that part so I always reholster slow and with full attention. That may not be good practice as maybe there are times where I would need to reholster quickly and move or something. I just, at this time, can't even begin to think about doing it that way.
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    Somebody needs to tell that instructor of 20 years not to holster a gun with his finger on the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrwizr View Post
    Somebody needs to tell that instructor of 20 years not to holster a gun with his finger on the trigger.
    If not careful, catching on a shirt, or something else could pull the trigger as it is going in. It isn't necessarily the finger.
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    It would seem that our firearms instructor should have looked the weapon into the holster. Everyone is so quick to get it back in. Seasoned or not, its a mistake that should not of happened.
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    How many times when drawing from concealment, have I found my shirt tail inside the holster when re-holstering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by accessbob View Post
    If not careful, catching on a shirt, or something else could pull the trigger as it is going in. It isn't necessarily the finger.
    and (H&K P7 aside) thats just another reason why i will not buy a glock(like) gun that does not have a palm safety. springfield manages nicely.
    some guns are more forgiving to 'that careless' moment than others.
    a large percentage of the glock(leg) ND's would not have happened had there been a palm safety.
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    One reason I like the grip safety on my xd40sc. I can re-holster without depressing it negating the trigger catch firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    and (H&K P7 aside) thats just another reason why i will not buy a glock(like) gun that does not have a palm safety. springfield manages nicely.
    some guns are more forgiving to 'that careless' moment than others.
    a large percentage of the glock(leg) ND's would not have happened had there been a palm safety.
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    I have to disagree with that. When I re holster the web of my hand depresses a grip safety on a 1911 or XD when I am pushing it down into the holster. I think it probably does for most people. Unless you conscientiously change your grip while re holster I don't think that grip safety will do any good.
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    Familiarity breeds contempt. Some folks think they are better than they really are. I see instructors do this maneuver frequently. It looks cool and impresses the first-timers, fast draw, fast shots then a fast re-holster.

    I KNOW I'm not that good. I re-holster slowly, "looking" the gun back in.

    As for a necessity to re-holster quickly, I'm sure if I had to I could come up with a reason, just not a very good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by accessbob View Post
    If not careful, catching on a shirt, or something else could pull the trigger as it is going in. It isn't necessarily the finger.
    Which is why I have trained myself to put my thumb over the back of my Walther PPS when holstering it. The sriker will pop up if the weapon is about to discharge and give me a clue somethings not right. I'm never in too much of hurry so it works for me.
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    I consciously position my grip so that the safety isn't depressed when I am re-holstering or putting the gun in the safe. You're probably right, though. I doubt most people do this.

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    I ran a call where a gun smith with years of experience had a accidental discharge and shot his adult daughter...killing her.

    He was in pieces. I felt so sorry for him and his family. I don't think it matters how much experience one has...it only takes one mistake for tragedy.
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    he need to have his trigger finger amputated so this will not happen again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    I have to disagree with that. When I re holster the web of my hand depresses a grip safety on a 1911 or XD when I am pushing it down into the holster. I think it probably does for most people. Unless you conscientiously change your grip while re holster I don't think that grip safety will do any good.
    With my 1911 and my XD I let the weapon go into the holster as far as gravity will take it ( just enough to get it aligned ) then I transfer my grip to just using the my thumb to push on the back of the slide leaving the grip safety untouched.

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